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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- Ultimate Foundation of Truth Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 12:10:26 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <6320ec8cdc4ab9fc06e5001c0b4069132ce1af58@i2pn2.org> <9c6309a46ca0fdf2ce98f50a09891e143d81ab90@i2pn2.org> <0e0c21ec5ccaeec8f341a86ed64c7447c34d162b@i2pn2.org> <8638c66ecc1669437be5a141cfa358c8c6168cde@i2pn2.org> <83cd07284fba793a0c2865dc5f6c21a9b9788a3e@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 19:10:27 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f1890a324b06dc16a921f95b9719194f"; logging-data="915520"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ZwCSoHYfff4x6TyOW4H3M" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ue9FabZEQcpcE1dmSlScBGIdPJI= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250302-6, 3/2/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4021 On 3/2/2025 11:19 AM, dbush wrote: > On 3/2/2025 12:14 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/2/2025 11:11 AM, dbush wrote: >>> On 3/2/2025 12:08 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 3/2/2025 11:00 AM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 3/2/2025 11:53 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 3/2/2025 10:28 AM, dbush wrote:>>> So how does changing the >>>>>> definition of truth prevent systems from >>>>>>> existing that contain true statements that have *only* an >>>>>>> infinite connection to their truthmaker? >>>>>> >>>>>> *This how actual truth has always worked* >>>>>> >>>>>> If expression X has a connection to a truth-maker then >>>>>> X is true otherwise X is untrue, yet possibly not false. >>>>>> It does not matter what kind of connection this is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You didn't answer the question. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sure I did >>>>  >> It does not matter what kind of connection this is. >>>> >>>> It does not matter whether the connection is infinite >>>> or not so STFU about it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Dishonest dodge. >>> >>> You stated that your definition of truth prevents systems from >>> existing that contain true statements that have *only* an infinite >>> connection to their truthmaker. >>> >>> So how does that happen? >> >> I never said anything like that. >> > > Yes you did: > > On 3/1/2025 11:46 PM, olcott wrote: > > Incompleteness cannot possibly exist when true means > > has a truth-maker and untrue means has no truth-maker > > and false mean ~X has a truth-maker. Your paraphrase of that was terribly incorrect. Has a truth-maker has always been the only correct way to determine True(x) superseding and replacing the ill-formed notion of provability. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer