Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- Ultimate Foundation of Truth Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:06:21 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <0f7cd503773838ad12f124f23106d53552e277b8@i2pn2.org> <7e3e9d35d880cfcad12f505dfb39c5650cdd249e@i2pn2.org> <3cf165ef9793e844dc9d5db82aecbc47f9545367@i2pn2.org> <080bf2b1c322247548c6ec61c9f054359062ccd4@i2pn2.org> <6fc61a762b56308f9919993f29ba3e77f7ba84c7@i2pn2.org> <6320ec8cdc4ab9fc06e5001c0b4069132ce1af58@i2pn2.org> <118757d760bdecf247749f20c8c9b15518be3d33@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2025 01:06:21 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f774896c05da03d2a2f11555a920a204"; logging-data="4092969"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+a6gWg/3T7DD151buyaEdi" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xcvfup36Kd9EQgXSjhNHXsNSPtA= In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250228-8, 2/28/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3703 On 2/28/2025 8:30 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 2/27/25 11:06 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 2/27/2025 7:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 2/27/25 9:33 AM, olcott wrote:>> >>>> Yes logic is broken when it does not require a truth-maker >>>> for every truth. It is also broken when its idiomatic meaning >>>> of the term "provable" diverges from the meaning of the term >>>> truth-maker. That every truth must have a truth-maker is outside >>>> the scope of what you understand. >>> >>> But it does, it just you don't seem to understand what a truth makee is? >>> >>> Where was a statement without a truth-maker used? >>> >> >> Logic remains clueless about the philosophical >> notion of truth makers and truth bearers and this is >> why logic gets these things incorrectly. >> > > No, you remain clueless about the notion of Logic and its rules. > Only because logic defines "True" in a way that goes against the way that True really works is it impossible to define a truth predicate in logic. The biggest mistake that logic makes is failing to understand that an expression can only be true when it has a truth bearer. Wittgenstein understood this on page 6 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333907915_Proof_that_Wittgenstein_is_correct_about_Godel True(common) always requires provable(common) simply another way of saying every truth requires a truth-maker. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer