Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 09:20:24 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <27b6da57f540cd39d2918411d8c94789678e3f45@i2pn2.org> References: <5e786c32c2dcc88be50183203781dcb6a5d8d046@i2pn2.org> <2002d599ebdfb7cd5a023881ab2faca9801b219d@i2pn2.org> <4426787ad065bfd0939e10b937f3b8b2798d0578@i2pn2.org> <920b573567d204a5c792425b09097d79ee098fa5@i2pn2.org> <4453bc0c1141c540852ea2223a7fedefc93f564c@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 09:20:24 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3086371"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4013 Lines: 49 Am Wed, 05 Mar 2025 22:03:39 -0600 schrieb olcott: > On 3/5/2025 9:57 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/5/2025 10:53 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 3/5/2025 9:31 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 3/5/2025 10:17 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/5/2025 7:10 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words, you know that what you're working on has nothing to >>>>>> do with the halting problem, but you don't care. >>>>> >>>>> In other words I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY BULLSHIT DEFLECTION. >>>>> You have proven that you know these things pretty well SO QUIT THE >>>>> SHIT! >>>> You want people to accept that HHH(DD) does in fact report that >>>> changing the code of HHH to an unconditional simulator and running >>>> HHH(DD) will not halt. >>>> >>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "ret" >>> instruction and terminate normally. >> >> In other words, replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional >> simulator and subsequently running HHH(DD) does not halt, which you >> previously agreed is correct: >> On 2/22/2025 1:02 PM, olcott wrote: >> > On 2/22/2025 11:10 AM, dbush wrote: >> >> On 2/22/2025 11:43 AM, olcott wrote: >> >>> The first point is DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly >> >>> terminate normally by reaching its own "return" instruction. >> >> >> >> In other words, if the code of HHH is replaced with an >> >> unconditional simulator then it can be shown that DD is >> >> non-halting and therefore HHH(DD)==0 is correct. >> >> >> > Wow finally someone that totally gets it. >> >> If you disagree, explain why this is different. >> In particular, give an example where X correctly emulated by Y is >> different from replacing the code of Y with an unconditional simulator >> and subsequently running Y(X). > > I may not have enough time left to change the subject and endlessly go > through anything but the exact point. You used to have enough time. > The purpose of these posts is so that my posthumous reviewers will > understand. There won't be any. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.