Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity. Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 19:28:37 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: References: <9f779645de1a83b1f2f35ab0a1885329@www.novabbs.com> <1826007a482dd75b$2449$1498207$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1295181"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$gJSVwbjCv9oMijPdfEYiGODjjW3lZDlIC0vNCgQTMxbA5JDPhAkRS X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3175 Lines: 57 On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 8:26:26 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am Donnerstag000020, 20.02.2025 um 22:44 schrieb Richard Hachel: >> Le 20/02/2025 à 22:31, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit : >>> So you prefer to believe that your derivation that >>> photons are not affected by gravity is correct, >>> and that GR's predictions thus are proven wrong. >>> >>> So you must be ignorant of the fact that photons are observed >>> to be deflected by gravity exactly as predicted by GR. >>> >>> Because you would not claim that "photons cannot be affected >>> by gravity" if you knew that they are. >>> >>> Or would you? :-D >>> >>> Paul >> >> What is the evidence that photons are deflected by the presence of >> matter in space? > > The photons are not affected, but space itself is. > > The idea of GR was, that gravity is actually an effect of 'curvature', > which is itself caused by gravity. > > What gets curved is actually the 'axis of time' local to a certain part > of space. > > What we call 'space' has a certain (geometric) relation to the axis of > time, if we regard the axis of time as imaginary and the axes of space > as real. > > Then we have i as a factor, by which time gets multiplied and what gives > us three real axes of space. > > This space is therefore depending on the direction of time. > > Curvature of the axis of time is actually an acceleration in a > space-time diagram, which usually has one axis of time and only one of > type space. > > Now this can 'curve' and we get gravity, which is a force, that results > from such curvature. > > Now light ('photons') pass through such a distorted space upon force > free straight lines, which are actually curved in spacetime in presence > of a gravitational field. > > This pass is NOT curved by gravitation, but by curvature of space. > > > .... > > > TH Curving the (imaginary) axis of time cannot curve real space since space is not a surface.