Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 18:21:25 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: The CMBR Disproves the Big Bang. (realism) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <582d81a086d369cf0cd2e78d401de6ec@www.novabbs.com> <4e287200afacf83d6a0412238f3e180a@www.novabbs.com> <67bdc531$0$28081$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <67c1a0fb$1$11446$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <67c2e713$0$11432$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <1828ad9f153d5033$379151$1494137$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <1828be805fb37a5f$835514$1481196$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <1828e949e46ee2f7$835527$1481196$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <182908af1643691a$379155$1494137$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <7f2dnSxdlu0XF1n6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Language: pl From: Maciej Wozniak In-Reply-To: <7f2dnSxdlu0XF1n6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 184 Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!sewer!alphared!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeder2.feed.ams11.usenet.farm!feed.usenet.farm!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 17:21:23 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 7451 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <18290c24fdef8604$299172$1488192$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 7847 W dniu 02.03.2025 o 17:42, Ross Finlayson pisze: > On 03/02/2025 08:18 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >> W dniu 02.03.2025 o 17:00, Ross Finlayson pisze: >>> On 03/01/2025 10:42 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>> W dniu 01.03.2025 o 23:52, Ross Finlayson pisze: >>>>> On 03/01/2025 09:38 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>> W dniu 01.03.2025 o 16:41, Ross Finlayson pisze: >>>>>>> On 03/01/2025 04:29 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>>>>> W dniu 01.03.2025 o 11:53, J. J. Lodder pisze: >>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 02/28/2025 03:41 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/25/2025 05:27 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> guido wugi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 23/02/2025 om 14:46 schreef Paul.B.Andersen: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den 22.02.2025 20:18, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The velocity-distance relation fails to explain the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redshift >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation because the latter is exactly the same in every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the former would place us at exactly the center of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you still not understand that we are in the exact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centre of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the observable universe? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't understand yet the relatitivity of the centre of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even at big bang an infinite universe is still a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is Piet Hein's take on it >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> THE CENTRAL POINT >>>>>>>>>>>>> A philosophistry >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am the Universe's Centre. >>>>>>>>>>>>> No subtle sceptics can confound me; >>>>>>>>>>>>> for how can other viewpoints enter, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when all the rest is all around me? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hard to argue with that, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "I know a girl called Trampoline, ...". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is a line from a song with these lines: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "When I was three / >>>>>>>>>>>> I thought the world revolved around me / >>>>>>>>>>>> I was wrong." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Infant >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Piet Hein is never wrong, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In his own little world >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is not an answer. >>>>>>>>> (except perhaps in your little world) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Us stronger mathematical platonists have >>>>>>>>>> a bit more thorough grounding where >>>>>>>>>> we're all right. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And not "not even wrong". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Platonism has no relation with reality. >>>>>>>>> If it has, it is no longer Platonism, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JJ locuta! Causa finita! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Amicus Plato, finito" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A strong mathematical platonism, that the >>>>>>> objects of mathematics are quite real, >>>>>>> and a stronger logicist positivism, >>>>>>> that we have a science about it, >>>>>>> combines the best of both the idealistic >>>>>>> and the analytic traditions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Often it's Hegel who's ascribed to having >>>>>>> that sort of put together, best, then though >>>>>>> there are lots of kinds of soi-disant Hegelians, >>>>>>> we're logical Hegelians, not polemical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, in the Wissenschaft der Logik, Hegel >>>>>>> puts together quite a good theory. Of course, >>>>>>> it takes a bit of a thorough reading of Kant >>>>>>> to arrive at why the Sublime is extra-ordinary, >>>>>>> and besides that Kant and Schopenhauer and so >>>>>>> on have their "qualitas occultas", which in a >>>>>>> way are sort of like "hidden a.k.a. supplementary >>>>>>> variables of the real wave equation", has that >>>>>>> it's a super-classical sort of thinking, that >>>>>>> Derrida and Husserl very much assert that the >>>>>>> objects of mathematics or geometry are beyond >>>>>>> ideal, quite real. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Axiomless natural deduction >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No such thing again. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> , a spiral-space-filling >>>>>>> curve as a natural continuum, a Comenius language, >>>>>>> answering the fundamental question of metaphysics, >>>>>>> and so on: amicus Plato. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course this has a rather perfect philosophy >>>>>>> and theory of science to go along with a merest >>>>>>> teleology, a causality and purpose of things, >>>>>>> together make a theory where foundation is >>>>>>> pre-axiomatic, yet entirely logical and mathematical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CMBR experiment thoroughly paint-canned >>>>>>> older Big Bang theories, yet Steady State is >>>>>>> also unfalsifiable, so, as time goes on and >>>>>>> the sky survey continues, it makes an older >>>>>>> Big Bang theory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a continuum mechanics, .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, Hegel has one. >>>> >>>> Hegel has one what? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Nope, wrong. >>> >>> Philosophy had long arrived at that there >> >> Don't give a damn to what philosophy arrived. >> There is no "axiomless natural deduction". >> Nothing natural in deduction, it's a word >> game and it requires axioms, because without >> them the words are meaningless. >> Yes, right. >> >> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgoRuwa2Zcs&list=PLb7rLSBiE7F4_E- > POURNmVLwp-dyzjYr-&index=5 > > The idea of Comenius language is that > the true words already exist, then we > discover them, to disclose them, the a-letheia, > that mathematics is discovered not invented, ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========