Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bp@www.zefox.net Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Subject: Re: Batteries - EV Conversion Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 15:02:15 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 16:02:16 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="02f1cac7c792b1988801ce5dbcf664d4"; logging-data="880528"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX199925n0r3wsMysuILW0ZdwGDY+0qvqyyU=" User-Agent: tin/2.6.4-20241224 ("Helmsdale") (FreeBSD/14.2-STABLE (arm64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HVUm+7q7kdeiBUyicmgEcvssWNk= Bytes: 2956 Bob La Londe wrote: > On 3/1/2025 5:52 PM, bp@www.zefox.net wrote: >> EVs benefit from a shiftable transmission exactly the way IC vehicles >> do. The transmission minimizes current draw when torque is needed and >> minimizes voltage required when speed is needed. Their omission is a >> matter of cost control, not design optimization. The only thing they >> don't need is a clutch. The current minimzation is especially important, >> because electrical efficiency is inversely proportional to the square >> of the current draw. > > You are right of course. Maybe not exactly, but the principal is > certainly still true. I would not be a fan of dropping an EV motor in > front of a Dodge automatic transmission. I'm not even sure it would > operate without being hooked to the Dodge computer. > Somebody would have to cook up a "PCM simulator" to generate the signals (likely digital) needed by the transmission. Not a trivial project in itself. But, it would increase low-speed acceleration by an amount roughly equal to the gear ratios for a given battery power. IIRC older Dodge 46RH and RE used a 2.45:1 low gear, which would certainly be a noticeable improvement off the line. The torque converter could be kept locked at all times if desired, but it would probably be simpler to let it unlock while shifting. As you observed elsewhere, batteries are a more fundamental problem. At energy/power densities approaching hydrocarbon fuels they take on the character of rocket propellants. There's no easy remedy for that problem, which few people anticipated. I certainly didn't. Thanks for a most entertaining discussion! bob prohaska