Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bobbie Sellers Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: [OT] Murder in New York Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 09:22:12 -0800 Organization: nil Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <03oolj12e3k7p5me60gmg2ml1l5hvij1ev@4ax.com> Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 18:22:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="65a315abd246fc5be23df533fd9e7dc0"; logging-data="695149"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/I5TBSmVu3tozgC2J2gfeI" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:vpnRaDIFFlJjbXFn+ZCqCJPVVDs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3731 On 12/15/24 08:45, Paul S Person wrote: > On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 13:19:09 +1300, Titus G wrote: > >> On 15/12/24 05:09, Paul S Person wrote: >>> On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 20:32:17 +1300, Titus G Trump >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 14/12/24 05:30, Paul S Person wrote: >> snip >>>>> My solution is simpler: the person at the top is /always/ responsible >>>>> [1]. Unless he was active in supervising the organization and this was >>>>> hidden from him. >>>>> >>>>> [1] This is a common trope, whether by Pres Truman ("The buck stops >>>>> here", pointing to his desk or perhaps the Oval Office) to Star Trek >>>>> VI, where Kirk agrees that, as Captain, he is responsible for what >>>>> happened. So why does the buck /not/ stop at the top dog in these >>>>> cases? >>>> >>>> Perhaps because one is fiction with a message and the other is reality? >>> >>> Truman isn't fiction. >> >> He certainly accepted responsibility for use of atomic bombing of Japan. >> I do not know of his record of other matters. The buck does stop "in >> these cases", but nowadays it stops in the top dogs' bank accounts. >> Didn't Truman also become somewhat rich as President? > > I have no idea. > > But, if he did, that means he /wasn't/ rich when he became President. No he was not rich but he was in politics. He attended some business school class but did not have a college degree. Well he had been a haberdashery owner who went bankrupt in the 1921 recession as I understand it. He got a good salary while in office and probably wrote or helped write books afterward. Presidents have pensions so he was well off. > In January 1959, Truman calculated his net worth as $1,046,788.86 (equivalent to $10,941,000 in 2023), > including a share in the Los Angeles Rams football team. Nevertheless, > the Trumans always lived modestly in Independence, and when Bess > Truman died in 1982, almost a decade after her husband, the house was > found to be in poor condition due to deferred maintenance.[311] So like most other holders of the Presidency, Truman was richer after he served the nation so well. bliss