Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 11:16:41 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <228a9804d6919149bac728ccf08134ed90db121e@i2pn2.org> <6f15178eda69b13fae9cbfef29acad05c9c6aeb3@i2pn2.org> <1454e934b709b66a0cb9de9e9796cb46fed0425c@i2pn2.org> <274abb70abec9d461ac3eb34c0980b7421f5fabd@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 11:16:41 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3557886"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 5169 Lines: 67 Am Sun, 09 Feb 2025 13:54:39 -0600 schrieb olcott: > On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott: >>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott: >>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott: >>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 8:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 5:18 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 1:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 1:26 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 10:52 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 16:11 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/2025 1:44 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 04:38 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which proves that HHH fails to make a correct decision about >>>>>>>>>> DD's halting behaviour. All other methods (direct execution, >>>>>>>>>> simulation by a world class simulator, etc.) show that DD >>>>>>>>>> halts. But HHH fails to see it. Everyone with sufficient >>>>>>>>>> understanding of programming sees that HHH is not correctly >>>>>>>>>> programmed when it aborts one cycle before the simulation would >>>>>>>>>> end normally. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The execution trace only shows that HHH is unable to complete its >>>>>>>> simulation, because HHH is unable to simulate itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>> It turns out that Olcott does not even understand this simple proof >>>>>> that HHH produces false negatives. HHH is unable to simulate itself >>>>>> up to the normal termination. >>>>> >>>> So, in other words, Olcott denies verified facts. >>>> HHH generates false negatives, as is verified in >>>>         int main() { >>>>           return HHH(main); >>>>         } >>>> but he denies it. >>>> He lacks the ability to accept simple verified facts, which he tries >>>> to hide with a lot of irrelevant words. >>> >>> It is a verified fact that main cannot possibly be correctly simulated >>> by HHH until its normal termination. >> >> Indeed, which proves that HHH is unable to simulate itself correctly. > > If this was true then you could point out exactly where HHH is > incorrect. HHH is supposed to be a decider, i.e. halt and return the correct value. > Here is the code point out the (nonexistent) error: https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c#L502 -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.