Path: ...!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: We have a new standard! Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 03:14:57 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <86wmfhbexa.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 12:15:01 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2dc6d07a4213b43c753586a510244093"; logging-data="1699313"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Vsphrl/NELWNA1sICmNiE8m4+EKT60m4=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5fRBpnjkrZRRN9MUE2Vgs0TFbUY= sha1:Sfogdd7Z1cTNo1PTKfpaVSibh4Q= Bytes: 2626 Paavo Helde writes: > On 29.12.2024 15:51, David Brown wrote: > >> You can have an informed opinion about C++, and agree or disagree >> with the opinions of the committee members. >> >> But what you don't get to do - or at least, don't get to do if you >> want to be viewed seriously - is spout an /uninformed/ opinion. >> That's no more than mindless prejudice, and of no interest to >> anyone. > > Thanks David, for standing against the trolls. It's a pity that > personal freedoms are often interpreted as "my ignorant opinion has > exactly the same worth as your expert knowledge". > > I'm all for personal freedoms, but my freedoms end where they might > hurt other people, or the nature for that matter. Boasting ignorant > jumble can easily do that. I agree with much of what you say. I don't agree with the last sentence. Depending on other factors, a public broadcast of a personal statement can produce enough of a negative effect so that it should be prohibited, but simply boasting ignorant jumble does not, by itself, fall into that category. The nature of posting to a newsgroup like this one does nothing to change that. Personal opinion: the comments from David Brown do more harm than good here. At some level he is just a guilty of giving a preachy opinion as the person he is responding to. It seems likely that his statements will exacerbate the offending behavior rather than diminish it.