Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: @ SCOS Message Format ? Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 08:57:02 +0000 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 09:57:07 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a2346f6db1f724ca7df3e26aa4c4e74c"; logging-data="4078812"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/7QYz1NiwQfEkhBinFKwwvdbUA5KxID6qDGB4EtLqswA==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:vxx0ZaDkU+oWYXr06iWNqCzQfVY= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3156 On 22/02/2025 08:19, David Entwistle wrote: > On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 06:36:18 +0000, Richard Heathfield wrote: > >> Irrelevant, I'm afraid, David. >> > > I don't believe so. > > Any newsreader will have at its heart a terminal emulation function, where > the characteristics of the early electromechanical terminals are > accurately reproduced via software. Why? That's not how I would write a newsreader. What possible value could it have? > Although convenient to forget that, it > remains true. Citation needed, as they say. > The details of the implementation of the caret control set > will have depended on the details of the emulation chosen. Assumes "facts" not in evidence. > The newsreader software developers may, like us, may have forgotten about > this detail but it will remain embedded in any software that has been with > us for as long as USENET. Deeply unlikely in my opinion. Would anyone else care to comment? > For more recently developed readers, the > behaviour may be less well defined. In either case it would be unwise to > assume that sending a caret followed by a capital letter A to the reader > will result in those two characters being displayed. I don't see why; I really don't. A newsreader that screwed up so badly would quickly be condemned as unusable. > A perfectly correct > and compliant implementation will not. If the emulation says it should > treat it as a control sequence, that is what it will do. Then the newsreader, if that's how it works, remains broken for the same reason I outlined in my last article. A newsreader that cannot correctly render the following code: out=in^key; is not fit for purpose in sci.crypt. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within