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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Machine Shop
Date: 22 Feb 2025 22:27:53 GMT
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:04:15 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri Nov 8 13:54:21 2024 Zen Cycle  wrote:
>>> On 11/8/2024 12:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No company could survive you and a boss that spots you not working and
>>>> does say anything about it.
>>> 
>>> Who ever said my boss caught me not working?
> 
>> You did asshole - you said that you were watching baseball and your boss
>> came around and asked what the score was - not that he asked why you
>> weren't working. I never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
>> attention to your job.
> 
> Having the boss monitor you with a stopwatch is characteristic of a
> job where you are paid by the millisecond.  That sometimes works with
> hourly employees.  However, it doesn't apply to salaried professional
> or exempt employees who are more commonly paid by the job and not by
> the millisecond:
> <https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/exempt-employee.asp>
> If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
> attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and working as an
> exempt employee, professional, manager, executive, or consultant.
> 
> I also find it odd the you wrote "a boss" instead of "my boss" or "my
> manager".  Hourly employees might have one of more managers.  Salaried
> professionals usually have a single manager, even if you worked for a
> committee.
> 
> At one company, the chief engineer would walk around the lab and
> remark "am I paying you for this" if he saw anyone doing something he
> considered not job related.  Eventually, he was asked by the other
> managers to stop doing that because it was highly disruptive and
> usually resulted in work coming to a screeching halt.
> 
> 
Even paid hourly if one is competent and job is complex might well be down
times waiting for something or someone to start/finish and so would have
flexibility aka time to and opportunity to do personal things or simply
have tea break/chat or whatever.

Only be stopwatches etc on fairly menial repetitive jobs.

Roger Merriman