Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Colnago C60 Date: 8 Jan 2025 00:00:37 GMT Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <6n5taj5jt432147kn6mpg6pv130322p96m@4ax.com> <3OKxO.234162$rto8.25964@fx05.ams4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net ZQ06T6hzWwmRf3zqmR5E5QRrxCa98+UHH06iC5i5ES6bH7Ebrb Cancel-Lock: sha1:/h5Sox3f0/RSQTjgcaBN/jm6rDY= sha1:SGvqfQHCVDDZ+aQTM4NaZuH1rvk= sha256:sY+j/DANPdElhQHNIGc6MS6XyyQG1bKDYZWqy0t5IqQ= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Bytes: 3387 Zen Cycle wrote: > On 1/7/2025 4:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:02:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski >> wrote: >> >>> To tell another anti-AT&T tale: The first time we went to continental >>> Europe, we (or rather, my wife) had a flip phone through AT&T. I called >>> AT&T support to ask whether the phone would function in Europe. The tech >>> support guy I got told me it absolutely would, no problem at all. >>> >>> Of course when we landed, we found the phone was useful only as a >>> paperweight. IIRC, the phone wasn't even capable of dealing with the >>> frequencies that Europe used. And when I took it into a cell phone store >>> of some kind, asking if something could be done to make it work, the >>> tech guy there said "We've never even seen a phone like this one!" >>> >>> Ah well. We got by for six weeks anyway, mostly by using internet cafes. >> >> Approximately what year was your visit to Europe? Which countries? >> Any clue as to the maker and model number of the flip phone? >> >> Europe switched from 2G and 3G to 4G (and now some 5G) protocols, >> which also included some added bands. Shutting down the 2G and 3G >> networks is still work in progress. >> >> "A Complete Overview of 2G & 3G Sunsets" >> >> >> My guess(tm) is your flip phone was 2G or possibly 3G which is why it >> didn't work on a 4G network. However, since this was AT&T, it's >> possible that the SIM chip that AT&T sold you was misprogrammed, >> incorrectly activated or just plain defective. >> > > If he had a flip phone it likely wasn't GSM compatible, and it was > likely before 4G became the standard. I'm guessing it wasn't a > programming issue, but basic compataabilty of trying to use a CDMA phone > on a GSM network. > > That would be my assumption as well, CDMA wasn’t adopted by many countries as far as I’m aware unlike GSM, which was then a technology much more European than American. Roger Merriman