Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:45:02 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <685c1274-e22f-409d-b39c-c3a5430c2f57@att.net> <69f56ce0-08a2-4614-b102-e333175c643d@att.net> <9a88665f-211f-4260-b585-97c72c7b6d1b@att.net> <8bed122d8b355eff96158e6f5cb76cffcc42925c@i2pn2.org> <7a26856916099747e76314a2b4c79693e14426fd@i2pn2.org> <98baf83e-820e-4e1b-be2c-e5ea4802683d@att.net> <0876c2b9-2144-44c1-a26b-20176f5e2127@att.net> <067f772a-4f4c-4c27-8042-3f605f814876@att.net> <26691e26-a27e-4c03-bc3d-29aa9fd825bc@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:45:04 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="356e11fa35ac2c14a6072e21beb6560b"; logging-data="1985353"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX182tjudUHaoNMNLWoO+TL6ol5HfDY539FE=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:jchi8l7jBbdbzGMEXJYd1BcMH6s= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2967 On 24.02.2025 19:09, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 24 Feb 2025 18:10:26 +0100 schrieb WM: >> On 24.02.2025 17:36, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 2/24/2025 9:59 AM, WM wrote: >>>> On 23.02.2025 23:03, Jim Burns wrote: >>>>> {{}} ≠ {} >> It is wrong to apply this in the present framework. > Yes, you are wrong trying to talk about N \ {N}. I never did. > >>>> These axioms can be applied to show that all FISONs can be removed. >>> {1,2}\{1,{2}} = {2} >> Only such nonsense available? > That is your nonsense. No that is from Burns. > Properties don’t transfer from elements to their set. The property of not existing transfers from all elements to the set. > >>> Claims about each natural number are silent about ℕ. >> Claims about the existence of all natural numbers are claims about the >> exitstence of ℕ. > We are not disputing the existence. Proofs about the absence of all natural numbers prove the absence of ℕ. Regards, WM