Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FromTheRafters Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 10:03:38 -0500 Organization: Peripheral Visions Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <27377646-137a-4f8f-a7bb-a75707b2da96@att.net> <4d349964-211f-42f1-936f-81c22ae54cb5@att.net> <6e0c8ab2-402a-43a5-a348-0c727eae6a2e@att.net> <87e2e677c7802c9c17df6063f340cb5857d5700b@i2pn2.org> <680d4249c9bf1504231a53732ac5096184261495@i2pn2.org> Reply-To: erratic.howard@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:03:46 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1bf6a927ce93676c81f3ec3c3fa54842"; logging-data="174444"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1++X7O1lvk04m0Hll/vqWlLihiyZ4YAEW4=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:cDw9ju7J6iaddYZyypIcTf1bZ4Y= X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb X-ICQ: 1701145376 Bytes: 2786 WM submitted this idea : > On 31.01.2025 18:51, joes wrote: >> Am Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:28:35 +0100 schrieb WM: > >>> then all can be discarded, >> No, only finitely consecutive ones. > > Induction concerns all natural numbers n as well as all A(n). >> >>>>> But all F(n) can be shown to be completely useless because infinitely >>>>> many natnumbers are missing. >>>> Again: every single one, or even an arbitrary finite number. >>>> If you have inf. many segments, you obviously have inf. many numbers. >>> All finite natural numbers as well as all FISONs obey the Peano axioms. >> All naturals are finite. FISONs are not naturals but sets and can’t be >> added together. > > FISONs represent ordinals. They represent the finite ordinals. The set of all FISONs represents the first transfinite ordinal. FISONs also represent finite cardinals.