Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Job Offer Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 11:34:12 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 158 Message-ID: References: <5ekgtjlvoglfkaqrs7klnvvtdiu8tlb7qq@4ax.com> <0gfitjd7ouqvl490h7sf9rfurubj9ja5kk@4ax.com> <3goitjhe5c9g2n10mdnsdc7svkrfbpbnni@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:34:14 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="70c899a08dcf4f9283a1d08989504c89"; logging-data="2928140"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19+iiOl9Ege6gmn2xo4aBz6IdnzEsnlKCA=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hp5oz5Acoh9WLcMrDP9hpvlkHNo= Bytes: 8781 On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:03:56 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: >Am 18.03.2025 um 15:34 schrieb Roger Merriman: >> Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>> accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, >>>>>> Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's binary or Manichean.  That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>> field: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>>>>>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and " solve.... I >>>>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon >>>>>>>>>>> Soloman >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good point, and you understand the difference. See also >>>>>>>>>> airplane mechanics. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Airplane mechanic? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And the pilots don't complain? ():-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft >>>>>>> fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>> falling off in flight :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>>>> variations and many I have not worked on. >>>>> >>>>> I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My >>>>> Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>>>> different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same >>>>> rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and >>>>> pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't >>>>> make stuff like they used to make stuff. >>>> >>>> Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at >>>> the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke. >>> >>> To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder >>> on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time >>> and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct >>> time. > >> How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel? > >A 4-stroke engine needs its ignition at the end of stroke 1 (cylinder >compressed and full of fuel-air mix). At the end of stroke 3 (cylinder >at minimum volume but empty from pushing out the exhaust) there is >nothing to ignite so an igntion at this point of time have not use but >also no harm. > >So with two cylinders offest by 180 degrees (boxer engine), you can skip >the distributor. > Harley's are not boxers. -- C'est bon Soloman