Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:15:23 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <887b3762-34e3-400b-b234-f09ca9547266@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:15:23 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="868920"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2901 Lines: 30 Am Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:30:27 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 19.03.2025 19:00, Jim Burns wrote: >> On 3/19/2025 11:55 AM, WM wrote: > >>> Obviously the subtraction of the set of all FISONs which as single >>> FISONs cannot empty Cantor's โ„• cannot empty Cantor's โ„•. >> All the finite initial segments of โ‹‚๐’ซโฑโฟแตˆ(โ„•) >> empty โ‹‚๐’ซโฑโฟแตˆ(โ„•) โ‹‚๐’ซโฑโฟแตˆ(โ„•)\โ‹ƒ{F} = {} > Of course the inductive subsets of โ„• are eqiuvalent. > I use Cantor's โ„• which is larger than all its inductive subsets. It can't be larger. It contains nothing apart from the inductive set. >>> Obviously >> Please prove that it is obvious. > > For Cantor's โ„• we have: > |โ„• \ {1}| = โ„ตo |โ„• \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = โ„ตo ==> > |โ„• \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n+1}| = โ„ตo > > All FISONs fail to empty โ„• when applied one after the other. Awful wording. > All FISONs fail to empty โ„• when applied at once, because mathematics is > not time-dependent. Only you haven't "applied" all of them. That would be N \ {1, 2, 3, ...}, which, unsurprisingly, = {}. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.