Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: zen cycle Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Hit and run of multiple cyclists Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 13:00:35 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 100 Message-ID: References: <1ihnsjd22q75s55nka22ebitomca6r1mgf@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 19:00:37 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3ea909d926a5569b97002a04bcc0cbc6"; logging-data="275389"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18NzxlLTSSTfJAVEsJkQPvqsDKwBOdY9ko=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:eB/w495lI70fvFzYGhcSUUal2ic= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 6226 On 3/8/2025 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 3/8/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 3/7/2025 10:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> >>> That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via >>> Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of Senator Joe >>> McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare: >>> >>> the HUAC: >>> >>> and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From my parents >>> point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the >>> committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII.  If >>> you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist, >>> you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person, >>> and deported to some place unpleasant. >>> >>> "to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities, >>> especially illegal political activities" >>> >>> No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA, >>> this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and friends were >>> seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I really didn't >>> understand what was happening, I just followed their example.  For a >>> time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in >>> authority, etc. >>> >>> My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an >>> American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans, >>> instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the >>> right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write >>> English and understand American slang.  At the time, I was a 5+ year >>> old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to >>> communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the >>> Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to >>> only speak English.  My original native languages were German and >>> Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at >>> a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say >>> nothing". >>> >>> This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the immigrants spoke >>> about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong >>> countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights in the USA >>> seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not >>> believe that it was possible.  I was told that one immigrant received >>> a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents caught up with him >>> as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the >>> country.  He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown >>> in an American concentration camp. >>> >>> I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do >>> whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers.  I >>> think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very >>> traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations. >>> It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things. >>> >>> >> >> I believe you but experiences vary a lot. >> >> All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning of the 1900s, >> lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke little English. They were >> Resident Aliens, not citizens, all their lives. (in the 20th century, >> aliens had to register annually but there were few or no other >> impediments to their lives). >> >> In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the President, as >> my grandfather's work was cut to half time and he was very close to >> losing his house for nonpayment. She was a sixth grader and the only >> person in the family with adequate English. By whatever good luck, >> their mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings voted >> straight democrat all their lives. >> >> p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My father, the >> youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did not. > > My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones arrived. They did > become citizens, but they certainly suffered discrimination. > >> Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's efforts are >> illegal aliens, not actual immigrants. > > There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and even U.S. > citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment because they didn't look > "American" enough - IOW white enough. Not tales, documented incidents: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9 "They did not ask me for documentation for my American workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers," > >