Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Hit and run of multiple cyclists Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 15:30:48 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 175 Message-ID: References: <1ihnsjd22q75s55nka22ebitomca6r1mgf@4ax.com> <8e5psj1f8rlb6s43vrleaokaul28q8mfa4@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 21:30:49 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9846c3a0ec254fb585f6bc39c8b41bfc"; logging-data="336506"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/2IGokw/LiSt5AdocBtWQlQ6IZ26dQ6Ws=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:LlOu0ai5m6lMYMIpFuiwKRyzub8= Bytes: 8205 On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 13:50:17 -0600, AMuzi wrote: >On 3/8/2025 1:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 12:42:41 -0600, AMuzi wrote: >> >>> On 3/8/2025 12:00 PM, zen cycle wrote: >>>> On 3/8/2025 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>> On 3/7/2025 10:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in >>>>>>> the USA via >>>>>>> Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of >>>>>>> Senator Joe >>>>>>> McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the HUAC: >>>>>>> >>>>>> American_Activities_Committee> >>>>>>> and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From >>>>>>> my parents >>>>>>> point of view, and from that of most immigrants from >>>>>>> Europe, the >>>>>>> committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done >>>>>>> before WWII.  If >>>>>>> you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or >>>>>>> even a pacifist, >>>>>>> you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some >>>>>>> random person, >>>>>>> and deported to some place unpleasant. >>>>>>> >>>>>> denounce> >>>>>>> "to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal >>>>>>> activities, >>>>>>> especially illegal political activities" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants >>>>>>> to the USA, >>>>>>> this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and >>>>>>> friends were >>>>>>> seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I >>>>>>> really didn't >>>>>>> understand what was happening, I just followed their >>>>>>> example.  For a >>>>>>> time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, >>>>>>> officials, anyone in >>>>>>> authority, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" >>>>>>> and become an >>>>>>> American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like >>>>>>> Americans, >>>>>>> instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and >>>>>>> the knife in the >>>>>>> right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read >>>>>>> and write >>>>>>> English and understand American slang.  At the time, I >>>>>>> was a 5+ year >>>>>>> old and had no difficulty learning all the languages >>>>>>> required to >>>>>>> communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and >>>>>>> of course, the >>>>>>> Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made >>>>>>> it a point to >>>>>>> only speak English.  My original native languages were >>>>>>> German and >>>>>>> Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors >>>>>>> at home or at >>>>>>> a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English >>>>>>> or say >>>>>>> nothing". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the >>>>>>> immigrants spoke >>>>>>> about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the >>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>> countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights >>>>>>> in the USA >>>>>>> seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they >>>>>>> literally did not >>>>>>> believe that it was possible.  I was told that one >>>>>>> immigrant received >>>>>>> a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents >>>>>>> caught up with him >>>>>>> as he was busy disposing of his possessions and >>>>>>> preparing to leave the >>>>>>> country.  He explained that it was better to leave than >>>>>>> to get thrown >>>>>>> in an American concentration camp. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer >>>>>>> to do >>>>>>> whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered >>>>>>> computers.  I >>>>>>> think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can >>>>>>> be a very >>>>>>> traumatic experience, full of bad information and >>>>>>> misinterpretations. >>>>>>> It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to >>>>>>> explain things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe you but experiences vary a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning >>>>>> of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke >>>>>> little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens, >>>>>> all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to >>>>>> register annually but there were few or no other >>>>>> impediments to their lives). >>>>>> >>>>>> In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the >>>>>> President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time >>>>>> and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment. >>>>>> She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family >>>>>> with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their >>>>>> mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings >>>>>> voted straight democrat all their lives. >>>>>> >>>>>> p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My >>>>>> father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did >>>>>> not. >>>>> >>>>> My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones >>>>> arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly >>>>> suffered discrimination. >>>>> >>>>>> Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's >>>>>> efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants. >>>>> >>>>> There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and >>>>> even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment >>>>> because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white >>>>> enough. >>>> >>>> Not tales, documented incidents: >>>> >>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest- >>>> puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9 >>>> >>>> "They did not ask me for documentation for my American >>>> workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers," >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it >>> hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal >>> Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along >>> with all the rest. >>> >>> I regularly get citations for no seal belt. Since there's >>> never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I >>> take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They >>> citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt) >> >> Got it... "seat belt".. It took me a minute. I've not had police >> trouble with the gun on my bike. but I once had a "citizen" tell me he >> was going to report me. That was back when I only had a black sock >> covering it. Nowdays it's better concealed. >> >> -- >> C'est bon >> Soloman > >Sorry sometimes I type faster than I can type. You don't have to apologize to me. Look at all the mistakes and goofs I make. -- C'est bon Soloman