Path: ...!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Frank Slootweg Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: The problem with not owning the software Date: 29 Dec 2024 16:39:41 GMT Organization: NOYB Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <9OCcnRW7grqkbPT6nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@earthlink.com> X-Trace: individual.net UTq4/bByv4IwUktKKTTz5we43OsN8RL+1Eezi8odTnxIg10Fh2 X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:KGZl8s4cUR/TGqNynVlvRe6j0lg= sha256:5l/ZBRz9Hdh8fRXl0PK6O8g/AjUtz+AsCSgz0/Qj41w= User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (CYGWIN_NT-10.0-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2 Bytes: 3205 Ant wrote: [...] > In alt.comp.os.windows-11 rbowman wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 15:07:39 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > > > > Yeah, it sometimes pains me that it is brought up as often as it is as > > > some sort of must-have piece of software. It suggests that people don't > > > do much other than open up Word and Excel. > > > I'm the minority report. I have never used Office. I have no need for it > > in my personal life and the company never installed it on the programming > > machines. If we get RFPs or other documents in docx or xlsx we use > > LibreOffice. For me, that's a read-only thing since my attempts to edit > > anything were disasters. > > What do you use to edit/create documents and spreadsheets with others? [...] > I'm surprised you don't do any documents. I have been using word > processors since I was in elementary with Apple 2's AppleWorks. Like rbowman, I used/used vi/vim for my documents. Have been using it, ever since it became available (to me). First on Unix/UNIX and later - mainly privately - also on DOS and Windows. I currently have some 3500 of such documents. And FTR, I'm using vim to compose this very article! :-) In a past working life, I shortly used nroff when vi couldn't yet format/reformat text (or I didn't know about it or didn't know how to do it). On a temporary assignment, I had to use WordPerfect, because the organization which hired me was more (only?) interested in how research/ investigation/etc. reports looked, than in their content/substance. Luckily after a few months, I managed to escape. And of course I still get the occasional .doc[x] attachment from someone who only *needs* a note-taking program, but only *has* (or knows how to use) Word. Luckily my current Windows 11 seems to grok such files, at least I didn't have to install LibreOffice since I got it, over two years ago. Knock on wood. [...]