Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV! Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 07:34:17 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <1r8848v.12x5iuidc6k9cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <7g8nrj5da61uqo70pp71ctaselmqohqq4g@4ax.com> <1r89eh0.1oumkw6aed2m8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <1r8b37k.14afsqebbt0u8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:34:18 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="682748ab194a4cabf721980db18d0679"; logging-data="2161866"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+eY+20yJCNpPJECcR4T3mX" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Fw39On6KcRtzk29AxW05TVmNpnM= Bytes: 3008 On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:31:26 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: >Bill Sloman wrote: > >> On 25/02/2025 6:31 am, john larkin wrote: >> > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 12:30:14 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >> > (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: >> > >> >> Bill Sloman wrote: >> >> >> >> [...] >> >>> Bring back horse drawn stages coaches and you can save even more money. >> >> >> >> ...and the pollution is bio-degradeable. >> > >> > London was vile when horses did all the heavy work. >> >> And every other large city. >> >> > And before rail transportation, everyone had to live close to work. >> > Most people walked. >> >> Canals and fast barges weren't a quick as railroads but they were faster >> than walking and a lot less like hard work than riding. > >Rather surprisingly (and not very well known): one of the biggest >side-effects of canals was the expansion of London. It had reached a >size where the transport of feed for the horses in the centre needed >much larger numbers of horses coming in from the surrounding farmland. >Likewise, the horses that removed the dung had to be fed and their dung >also had to be removed. This put a limit on how big London could grow. > >When canals were built and one horse could tow a 30-tonne boat, the need >for so many transport horses reduced and the feed and dung could be >brought in from much further out, so the built-up area could be >enlarged. Horse droppings, coal smoke, open sewage ditches, dirty water. Must have been nasty. And unhealthy.