Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Zen Cycle Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:05:39 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 82 Message-ID: References: <3qs4ujp5mkd12irvkc4muan5h3mki6r2ft@4ax.com> <8dr5ujp8fuhnap4c95kmp1cnmm1mae926m@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 20:05:39 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9de9cd132f4da46b57e4e3b3a18851d7"; logging-data="3740357"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/P1+/pFygtez39Oo2VrGLNuOagW2GRF7s=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mXfKPFMne3+3soX02ODPt0Izhhs= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 5096 > floriduh dumbass wrote: >> On 25 Mar 2025 17:33:47 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >> >>> Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>> On 25 Mar 2025 08:02:38 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>> On 3/24/2025 6:02 PM, Mark J cleary wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like to wear helmet for extra protection against a fall. I do agree >>>>>>> that for me even running with a helmet would be good since I have no >>>>>>> balance to run anymore. However, Frank is I think in the minority about >>>>>>> helmets... >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope, that's not true. In the current echo chamber of avid sport >>>>>> cyclists I am a minority. But very I'm comfortable with not following >>>>>> most of the group's trends. I don't use clipless pedals, I don't use >>>>>> brifters or disk brakes, I don't ride in jerseys that advertise my >>>>>> favorite products or my favorite racing team, I don't use aerodynamic >>>>>> sunglasses, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> But in the total population of world cyclists, it's the helmet wearers >>>>>> who are a definite minority. >>>>>> >>>>>>> ... and while he may have data to support it sometimes we humans >>>>>>> overlook data. I rely sometimes only on intuition and what I think might >>>>>>> be good. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's a common human trait. It leads to lots of bad decisions, but it's >>>>>> common. It's usually wiser to pay attention to good data, when it's >>>>>> available. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I really don't understand the length's Frank goes to dis >>>>>>> helmets but maybe I am simply taking it more than it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you check, you'll see I never initiate helmet debates. But when >>>>>> someone else - um, like you, Mark! - starts stating or implying that >>>>>> helmets have great benefit, and/or states or implies that bicycling is a >>>>>> serious risk for brain injury, I do point out that those notions are false. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bicycling has never been a major source of serious traumatic brain >>>>>> injury (TBI). On a nationwide basis, bicycling's contribution to TBI >>>>>> counts is low enough to be off most "causes" charts. Bicycling causes >>>>>> fewer then 1% of U.S. TBI deaths, far fewer than pedestrian travel, and >>>>>> far fewer on a "per mile" basis. And historic data over the years shows >>>>>> quite clearly that bicycle helmets are not preventing either fatalities >>>>>> or concussions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Data on request - but it's been posted or linked countless times. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Helmets for cycle safety are distraction to use one of UK bike >>>>> personalities/transport experts aka Chris Boardman. >>>>> >>>>> With cycling the danger and risk is almost entirely introduced by >>>>> motorists, which should be the focus. >>>>> >>>>> Helmet ?debates? as ever seem to go nowhere as folks have such intrenched >>>>> positions. >>>>> >>>>> Roger Merriman >>>> >>>> I can't understand why anyone argues about wearing helmets other than >>>> about making it mandatory. Whether on not a person wears a helmet has >>>> no effect on anyone else. As for laws about adults wearing them, they >>>> are gradually falling by the wayside. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> C'est bon >>>> Soloman >>>> >>> >>> Get it required by organisations and organised events which is admittedly a >>> low percentage of cyclists ie folks who are club members and/or Sportives >>> etc which often requires helmets commonly due to insurance. >>> >>> Roger Merriman >> >> I wouldn't ride anyplace where bicycle helmets were required. I tried >> one on my head once, I could feel my IQ going down. That wasn't from the helmet