Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: gcalliet Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:08:49 +0100 Organization: pia-sofer Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: gerard.calliet@pia-sofer.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net IlykoiEurUK8UpCCw6EMiwqS9eBVp2ngNE/hsPregu/2iSJAb0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:IaIVM2x3G8LXTHc99LtlzWSBgDo= sha256:kf4tooVY98n4ycQJkw8HEVk4Y1YOklf3CvjS8rv102c= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: fr In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 250326-0, 26/3/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3270 Le 25/03/2025 à 23:27, Subcommandante XDelta a écrit : > On 23/03/2025 8:20 pm, gcalliet wrote: >> Vous savez parler aux français. ("you know how to speak to the French"). >> Starting tomorrow, we'll be discussing it in the VMSgenerations working >> group. >> >> For me, Eiffel is a benchmark. A great understanding of the art of >> programming. This made Eiffel a pioneer of contract programming, for >> example. And the oldest book by Bertrand Meyer (the designer of Eiffel) >> on introductory computer science (in French, well before object-oriented >> programming, for his company at the time) is one of the best books of >> its kind I've read. >> >> I will do everything I can to follow your excellent suggestion. >> >> Gérard Calliet > > Alas, non, mon ami, I am but a probationary member of the Academie > Franglais, at best. > > I only speak English, well my sincere emulation of such: Emuglish - my > grammar and punctuation remains decidedly iffy (never got the hand of > possessive apostrophes) - however I still speak fluent DCL - the joys of > f$lexical discourse. > > VSI has it's rusted on client (and potential clients - The HP holdouts > of yore) customers of 30 years standing or more - however, I don't think > that they have had any new customers, yet, who have decided to bet their > businesses, or part of the businesses, on adopting the VSI/VMS platform. > > A modern, disciplined, application building, language such as Eiffel, > and the Eiffel studio, might perhaps encourage such a miracle, as a new > shop in the VMS ecosystem. The term important for me is: new shop. Because you agreee by that on the great interest of having several different shops. VMS, for example, is itself a new-shop-OS - if VSI agree about bare metal, and if so VMS is still an OS -. In our world new-shop-OS could be very cool. If we have different shops on VMS, we get more chance to make VMS attractive. How could we do that? Open Source, Open Source, Open Source plus co-investment. I won't be insulting, I won't pretend you haven't already understood that the scalability model we have at our disposal is clustering. :) Gérard Calliet > > VSI/VMS + Eiffel - it has great merit.