Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Frank Slootweg Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: Shutdown vs. Restart Date: 27 Mar 2025 11:33:27 GMT Organization: NOYB Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <0aottjlp05kk73mqs5utee75nsognfpf8j@4ax.com> X-Trace: individual.net OhfAUKG7uvJd726lb0jPZQgolNL/Jxknlq1DYfYWIpfhPk9OC+ X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:xsnpf7a7nW0di8bjRIDBgZbuVwM= sha256:KZ9Iz/ScGXEu+NPZi6kpDpZhJo3DJvcF0EMoe45UDw0= User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (CYGWIN_NT-10.0-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2 Bytes: 4383 Arno Welzel wrote: > Frank Slootweg, 2025-03-26 16:25: > > > Arno Welzel wrote: > >> Steve Hayes, 2025-03-24 10:04: > >> > >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:16:17 -0400, micky > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Learned recently that in later versions of windows, Shutdown does not > >>>> completely shut down windows but Restart does. > >>>> > >>>> Is that true in Android too? > >>> > >>> In Windows, I'm pretty sure it is the other way round. > >>> > >>> Restart doesn't completely shut down Windows, but shutdown does. > >> > >> No, it's exactly the opposite - because "shutdown" is what people do all > >> the time when they want turn off their computers. For this very reason > >> Windows does only hibernate by default - which means it stores the > >> current RAM content on the SSD so the last state including all open > >> applications will be restored when turning on the computer the next time. > > > > Sorry, but that's not correct. If you do a 'Shut down' the system will > > only save the OS to 'disk', not the open applications. And it will only > > save to 'disk' if Fast Startup is enabled (which is the default). > > Nitpicking... Anything but nitpicking! Windows does *not* do a full hibernate/resume when you do a Shut down, that's what the Hibernate choice is for. > > N.B. If your comment was correct, there would be no 'Hibernate' choice > > in the 'Power' menu. > > My Windows 11 setup does *not* have "hibernate" in the power menu. So > you are wrong as well now? Or did you just forgot, that the choices also > depend on settings? So you changed the default. Noted. > I talked about the *default* setup of Windows nowadays which is "Fast > Startup". And in this *default* case Windows behaves as described since > the previous poster believed, that "shutdown" will always shutdown > without hibernation and "reboot" will restore the state as it was before > the reboot. I don't think that's what Steve Hayes meant. Anyway, I just corrected your incorrect information ("so the last state including all open applications will be restored when turning on the computer the next time."). > > For an authorative reference: > > > > Message-ID: > > > > This is not "authoritative". Well it's much more authoritative than yours. Note the poster. > Only the document of Microsoft is > authoritative: > > A bit long, but the 'Fast startup' section is not too long and confirms my correction of your earlier post: "Fast startup begins with the shutdown process and includes writing data to disk similar to the hibernate process. A key difference is that all user sessions (Session 1) are logged off and the remaining information is written to the hiberfile." So the user sessions are logged off, so they *cannot* "be restored when turning on the computer the next time". Note also that the text in the "SHUTDOWN" picture only says "System data ... saved to disk", while a similar picture in the later "Hibernate phase" picture says "User & system state ... saved to disk", so a (Fast startup) shutdown does not save user state, which is my point. (AFAIC,) EOD.