Path: ...!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 05:53:33 +0000 Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy References: <655acbf6-05e5-69ff-8a44-9f7075aafa2e@example.net> <9f3323c0-5035-1172-e0d9-13ab2544b321@example.net> <_4mcnYIMzv0paDT6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <9Vudndwpf_KGPDf6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com> From: "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" Organization: WokieSux Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 00:53:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-kp8gsYeoWhSwihqBW5fVUFYqnNy/6n+/9i0hEss1bRLyeTWhxxmq0JP/1ybo3x6DybIbFQM1W0nB0Hq!RQEN1UECdkTctrtIfQpZweJUgc3L+DtZ6uYpIgLkSGMaurhHdA4I79k30dabJ/W2JKZqk2ObzS9W!QAk848iPhScGPrpn7zRX X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4499 On 2/10/25 10:42 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 20:00:10 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: > >> I've always been impressed with things like baby cows and horses and >> even elephants. They pop out and within an hour are trotting around >> and acting all appropriate. Where did human ancestors go wrong ??? >> Elephants are smart large-brained critters too - not like 'born >> ready' >> is limited to pinheaded things. NNs should aim at being E-lephants >> when you press the "ON" button, with a lot of How To and How To Do >> Better already burned in there. > > That was one of the historic battles. The department head was an old > school behaviorist so that set the tone. Chomsky though there was some > sort of linguistic framework wired into the brain that was fleshed out by > experience. Skinner thought it was all learned behavior. > > Phylogeny versus ontogeny with culture thrown in on the side. It can be a > minefield. Well ... both Chomsky and Skinner were Sort-Of right and Sort Of wrong. Even in humans, the 'pre-wiring' is already there. Four billion years of evo made sure of that. Think of it as "field testing". However 'nature' requires learning/training to reach its full potential. This is what happens when science drifts into "idiotologies". There were commie-socialists who became dedicated, indeed rabid, about the notion that there was no such thing as 'human nature' - that the moronic proletariat could be molded ANY way you dictated. A lot of Evil Stuff was done as a result. The flip, equally evil, notion was that 'human nature' was immutable. This oft devolved along 'racial'/cultural lines. 'Blacks' would always be 'niggers', Indians always 'wogs', Euros always the 'master race' Just Because. 'Science' can be abused as easily as most any other line of thinking/study/theology. The trick is to SEE it - and DARE to Say Something. The latter may NOT always be so easy ... you may 'accidentally fall' from a high window .... Maybe the latest idiocy ... "climate change". It has devolved into two opposing religions. The Truths are scattered in-between, but you are EXPECTED to pick a side, an extreme, Or ELSE.