Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: RonB Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Does Dimdows Know What Time It Is? Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:18:27 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2024 15:18:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b96fad3286461cdfb9965ca8a60decc0"; logging-data="253131"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX187IM1L6ECDpzEmDNC29deX" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OM3HB3xHnwGVG24WvdhUJ6KhfaU= Bytes: 3527 On 2024-10-04, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 20:47:30 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> On 2024-10-03 2:10 p.m., rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:07:10 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that >>>> companies think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the >>>> stuff to protect the technology from ourselves. >>> >>> Sockets cost money. >> >> Is that really their excuse? > > https://superuser.com/questions/1172628/manufacturing-cost-of-socketed- > versus-soldered-chips > > There's a little discussion there. It's more than the cost of the socket. > With modern SMT processes a pick and place machine puts the components on > the board. Usually they are held in place with solder paste although > sometimes adhesive is used. Run the board through a reflow machine and > you're done. > > Think about soldered on laptop memory versus DIMMs. First, the DIMM is an > entirely separate manufacturing step. Then you need to solder the slot and > retained hardware onto the motherboard, which is more complcated than > dropping on SMTs. Finally you have to insert the DIMMs. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo677TyaDns > > They don't show it but presumably in a real operation the robot is picking > the DIMMs out a a cassette or some other fixture. More steps, more money. Easily recouped at the price they're charging for high end computers. I think it has more to do with making more money. Greed. If you buy a laptop with 16 GBs and want to upgrade it to 32 GBs, it will cost less (maybe much less) than $100 with sockets. If you want 32 GBs instead of 16 GBs on a high end laptop with soldered memory, they're probably going to charge you another $200 or $300. Same goes for getting a larger SSD. And the cost difference of soldering 32 GBs on a motherboard instead of 16 GBs, is tiny when considering that these chips are bought wholesale by the thousands. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien