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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ruud Harmsen Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Galveston Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 08:51:18 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 08:51:19 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1751ebd7b0a9a7b6a31a6dbe90711a6e"; logging-data="3971172"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18pREqopZfFMDlQgaMUTjPH" Cancel-Lock: sha1:NFnROzG31aiK+IgvL20weYL7TfQ= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Bytes: 2646 Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:45:04 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber scribeva: >On 2025-03-26, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > >> OK. At 81 (soon to be 82) I'm clearly in the Older category. >> >> Having lived outside the anglophone world for nearly 40 I haven't been >> subject to the more modern influences, and still speak as I always did. > >So, as an old geezer, what is your personal opinion on Lindsey's >following assertion on the TRAP-BATH split? > > Today greater diversity is allowed even among BBC newsreaders, > documentary narrators, etc. It's now common for such speakers to > have unbroadened TRAP in _bath_, _after_, _ask_, _answer_, _demand_, > _chant_, _sample_, etc. We might say that SSB now includes > un-broadened BATH words as an option. > This is convenient for learners aiming at a British accent, as > BATH-broadening can be tricky to learn. Not only is it hard to > explain why words did or did not broaden; there are also words > which have broadened more recently, such as _graph_. It's no > longer a high priority for learners to use the broadened forms. Broadened here seems to mean longer and backer. >Regardless, my personal observation from British media is that >beyond the very core vocabulary, there is considerable uncertainty >where to use broad A. I've heard _transplant_ with TRAP-TRAP, >TRAP-PALM, and PALM-PALM vowels.