Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 --- STA Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 22:44:19 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <8a3e7e93e6cad20b29d23405a0e6dbd497a492ac@i2pn2.org> <26f33bb039fda7d28ae164cfc4d0f582d4698f31@i2pn2.org> <36a4c76730b23cf78ddde73c723116b5380973a1@i2pn2.org> <4285ea3219a2d5f2d6c52e84697fa4e3d3dc80cb@i2pn2.org> <77c20f5832db4b47f5226dcb39bd2be7ba107a0c@i2pn2.org> <5cb726749c8a7457af5da692f77c6a04bc0c7401@i2pn2.org> <733db53c4b67cf1fbbd45fdf503b1d27539b7414@i2pn2.org> <524b81bf3658a42bcba56f807fce28bfea67d36f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 04:44:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b205d1f9624dd342f836cee355929889"; logging-data="362638"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ZwLnmyfTIDmH9Spwo94Em" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6/u0Py2DLOaqjeTmfeOp/u0sAMc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2962 On 4/1/2025 10:37 PM, olcott wrote: > On 4/1/2025 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 4/1/25 7:35 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 4/1/2025 5:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 3/31/25 10:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *Simulating termination analyzer Principle* >>>>> It is always correct for any simulating termination >>>>> analyzer to stop simulating and reject any input >>>>> that would otherwise prevent its own termination. >>>>> >>>> >>>> But DDD doesn't prevent its own terminatation, as it calls an HHH >>>> that WILL abort its emulation and return and answer. >>>> >>> >>> You know that DDD stopping running and DDD reaching its >>> final halt state are not the same thing you damned liar. >>> >> >> Right, the DDD who's simulation is stopped hasn't shown non-halting >> behavior, just not-yet-halted. >> > > You already admitted that you are lying about this. > DDD emulated by HHH for an infinite number of steps Changing the input is not allowed.