Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 20:23:43 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <43c020cb-dc8b-4feb-be1d-2a76f02be14e@att.net> <19431656-fb42-4569-9334-b5b7e19c80c6@att.net> <4b45ff34-dc3f-4e32-90a3-237f78fbd321@att.net> <2e5bced50a3571e40311d75977f0880db77fe5a1@i2pn2.org> <630f69206a09e08bc68b59cc1f95aac5e8a0f84b@i2pn2.org> <88e790cc59217e199ea7419268fa49a598a0df8b@i2pn2.org> <3add6da446fdb6225940eb4c8a7faf710360925e@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 20:23:43 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3166942"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3207 Lines: 32 Am Thu, 06 Mar 2025 18:15:01 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 06.03.2025 14:47, Jim Burns wrote: >> On 3/6/2025 4:15 AM, WM wrote: >>> Am 06.03.2025 um 10:06 schrieb joes: >>>> Am Wed, 05 Mar 2025 22:05:04 +0100 schrieb WM: >> >>>>> Therefore iteration fails to produce actual infinity. >>>> As an element, but not as the number of elements (=the size of the >>>> set). >> We do NOT construct[make] sets. >> We construct[know] sets. > Without their construction/proof we don't know whether infinite sets > exist at all. Um aber die Existenz "unendlicher" Mengen zu sichern, > bedürfen wir noch des folgenden ... Axioms. [Zermelo: Untersuchungen > über die Grundlagen der Mengenlehre I, S. 266] The elements are defined > by induction in order to guarantee the existence of infinite sets. > >>> The number of elements is an element for every element produced by >>> induction. >> For each element in a set which is its.own.only.inductive.subset, that >> element's set of priors has fuller.by.one sets which are larger. > Never a set of elements is constructed which is larger than every finite > number. Infinite sets are. >>> Induction is potentially infinite. >> Proof.by.induction completes > never! If it didn't, it wouldn't work. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.