Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:28:53 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <76d99693-1dcf-4049-98b9-a33edced2e83@att.net> <123fb080-4f72-482c-a6e9-aa525aa7150b@att.net> <00fb52fc-ca18-4166-90c7-71b5a66e2dda@att.net> <499f2673-f99b-4b6d-a0df-55242e7dc479@att.net> <4209f4c4-0c11-40a8-93bb-441e45f5e9e1@att.net> <00dcba19-ae5b-401e-8222-b686d235023e@att.net> <161aa4b1-ca5a-4447-a7a7-c82ae2ebf5f6@att.net> <4aca9f75-07ba-4ad4-a215-948a4420f2aa@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:28:54 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e7473ca36dc84ec9f66b2225a91dbba2"; logging-data="2289966"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/cViiRT4fxkXeSOUB31GCmzQxjQN+9Kg4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:lHera/z29hXHEzKHrPDvKMScld0= In-Reply-To: <4aca9f75-07ba-4ad4-a215-948a4420f2aa@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2793 On 11.03.2025 20:25, Jim Burns wrote: > On 3/11/2025 2:01 PM, WM wrote: > Zermelo defines Z to be an inductive set. in order to ensure the existence of an infinite or inductive set. > Defining Z₀ to be inductive is insufficient > to prove, from a subset ⊆ Z₀ being inductive, > that the subset = the whole set Z₀ The set of numbers is the set Z₀. All other parts of Z are irrelevant. > >>> |A| < ℵ₀  ∧  |B| = ℵ₀  ⇒  |B\A| = |B| = ℵ₀ >> >> |Z₀| < ℵ₀ > > No. Take Cantor's ℕ. Delete 1. If you have deleted n, delete n+1. In all steps ℵ₀ numbers remain. > Z₀ is inductive. Take Cantor's ℕ denoted as { }, {{ }}, {{{ }}}, ... . Delete { }. If you have deleted n brackets, delete n+1 brackets. In all steps ℵ₀ elements remain. Regards, WM