Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.xcski.com!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Kestrel Clayton Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: The Big Crunch may be a possibility Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 10:19:43 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <2b8f0234-6f40-4641-9232-a5e756f37a2a@gmail.com> <3477ujli8gap5a09tdkjhb7jqfs5j29cn0@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="66661"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:LLREUyWdH2a4JXDZmkIgxuMqqnA= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 81B2822978C; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485F4229783 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 10:19:53 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1txo5B-00000001cne-1opi; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 15:19:45 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16BEF622BD for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 14:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/16BEF622BD; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id CC43DDC01CA; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 15:19:42 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 15:19:42 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/vQwWMpMeBUCQVGrt+nTBSquzrHZxwIy5DgMdUwL6MMshKbOYUW/kA Content-Language: en-US DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5133 On 27-Mar-25 01:53, jillery wrote: > On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 09:31:10 -0400, Kestrel Clayton > wrote: > >> Here's a source I found useful, as a first-pass primer: >> >> https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2025/03/19/new-desi-results-strengthen-hints-that-dark-energy-may-evolve/ >> >> It's still pop science, but at least it's pop science written by actual >> scientists. The page is careful to state "the preference for an evolving >> dark energy has not risen to '5 sigma,' the gold standard in physics >> that represents the threshold for a discovery." Also it does not claim >> that cosmic expansion is slowing; only that the *rate of increase* in >> expansion due to dark energy may have slowed in the past (and is >> presumably still slowing). In other words, the car isn't slowing down, >> but dark energy is very slowly easing up on the throttle. > > > IIUC you distinguish between "rate of increase" aka acceleration and > plain vanilla increase. If dark energy is constant, then rate of > increase would be proportional to the distance between objects aka > Hubble's Law. If distant objects accelerate more slowly than > expected, then some other factor besides dark energy or gravity is > involved (gravity weakens over distance). > > I have speculated in the past that dark energy might weaken over time > due to some quantum effect, which suggests that spacetime isn't doomed > to expand forever, and instead, some googolplexian years from now, > collapse cyclically back onto itself. Could well be. We're far off the map from what I know — when I was a physics student, the phrase "dark energy" hadn't even been coined yet. -- [The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.] Kestrel Clayton "Every normal woman must be tempted, at times, to stoke the fire, host the black mass, and begin eating hearts." — Rose Bailey