Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:58:36 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <6c74c2e9-17d7-4eb4-afcd-c058309b6c8a@tha.de> <4327ba4a-e810-4565-83e8-b9572018ac35@att.net> <4051acc5-d00a-40d2-8ef7-cf2b91ae75b6@att.net> <8d69d6cd-76bc-4dc1-894e-709d044e68a1@att.net> <7356267c-491b-45c2-b86a-d40c45dfa40c@att.net> <4bf8a77e-4b2a-471f-9075-0b063098153f@att.net> <31180d7e-1c2b-4e2b-b8d6-e3e62f05da43@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:58:36 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="506a89600408831b60f467a814c07b4b"; logging-data="252450"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/QvGy7rFQodxyQ9fRW92TbWR+Nj6T1/p8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1CIx+NYSfbFn3+FVn+TnmeYbhVU= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3861 On 21.12.2024 20:32, Jim Burns wrote: > On 12/21/2024 6:34 AM, WM wrote: >> On 20.12.2024 19:48, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 12/19/2024 4:37 PM, WM wrote: > >>>> That means all numbers are lost by loss of >>>> one number per term. >>>> >>>> That implies finite endsegments. >>> >>> Q. What does 'finite' mean? Finite endsegments have a natural number of elements. > > Consider end.segments of the finite cardinals. > > Q. What does 'finite' mean, > 'finite', whether darkᵂᴹ or visibleᵂᴹ? Finite endsegments cannot be visible > >> Here is a new and better definition of endsegments >> >> E(n) = {n+1, n+2, n+3, ...} with E(0) = ℕ. >> >> ∀n ∈ ℕ : E(n+1) = E(n) \ {n+1} >> means that the sequence of endsegments can decrease only by one >> natnumber per step. > > E(n+1) is larger.than each of > the sets for which there are smaller.by.one sets. > E(n+1) isn't any of > the sets for which there are smaller.by.one sets. No. E(n+2) is smaller than E(n+1) by one element, namely n+2. > > E(n+1) isn't smaller.by.one than E(n). > E(n+1) is emptier.by.one than E(n) It is also smaller, but we cannot distinguish ℵ₀ and ℵ₀ - 1. {1, 2, 3, ..., ω} is smaller by one element than {0, 1, 2, 3, ..., ω}. |{1, 2, 3, ..., ω}| < |{0, 1, 2, 3, ..., ω}| > >> Therefore the sequence of endsegments >> cannot become empty > > Yes, because > the sequence of end.segments > can become emptier.one.by.one, but > it cannot become smaller.one.by.one. Both happens. Cantor's bijections are nonsense. > >> (i.e., not all natnumbers can be applied as indices) > > Each finite.cardinal can be applied, > which makes the sequence emptier.by.one > but does not make the sequence smaller.by.one. Rest deleted because it is wrong. There are |ℕ|^2 + 1 fractions. Regards, WM