Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <6BrnTmJCgALQscom-oXaSEeYDUM@jntp> JNTP-Route: nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: Newton: Photon falling from h meters increase its energy. References: <4af374770bb67b6951ef19c75b35fbad@www.novabbs.com> <1819b35cb5854fb7$83258$1308629$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <17a125a3e75f42ff91ef08afdab4e0a9@www.novabbs.com> <1819b79e1aa58c97$89507$1329657$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <9e55d347a16ad439d5b2e75440ae1a6d@www.novabbs.com> <6782d853$0$28064$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <4404fd8d88a2eacd658d92efeef4d6c2@www.novabbs.com> <6179d6619c9f6f918d23a60e19189a4f@www.novabbs.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: a0waM2Fqq2GcC0fzerb3vRqiSJE JNTP-ThreadID: 4af374770bb67b6951ef19c75b35fbad@www.novabbs.com JNTP-Uri: https://www.nemoweb.net/?DataID=6BrnTmJCgALQscom-oXaSEeYDUM@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/1.0 JNTP-OriginServer: nemoweb.net Date: Mon, 13 Jan 25 20:12:52 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/131.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2025-01-13T20:12:52Z/9173809"; posting-account="4@nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel Bytes: 4564 Lines: 57 Le 13/01/2025 à 20:50, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit : > On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 15:06:47 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote: > >> Le 13/01/2025 à 06:07, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit >> : >>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 1:31:59 +0000, rhertz wrote: >> >>> And Einstein used a refraction formula to double the deflection= >>> "photographic plates? Poor did, and he completely repudiated the >>> findings of Eddington. This should have given pause to any ethical >>> scientist. >>> Here are some quotes from Poor's summary: "The mathematical >>> formula, by which Einstein calculated his deflection of 1.75 >>> seconds for light rays passing the edge of the sun, is a well known >>> and simple formula of physical optics"; "Not a single one of the >>> fundamental concepts of varying time, or warped or twisted space, >>> of simultaneity, or of the relativity of motion is in any way involved >>> in Einstein's prediction of, or formulas for, the deflection of light"; >>> "The many and elaborate eclipse expeditions have, therefore, >>> been given a fictitious importance. Their results can neither prove >>> nor disprove the relativity theory" (emphasis added) (Poor, 1930)." - >>> saved pdf = "Albert Einsetin, Plagiarist of the Century" p.9 >> >> Einstein is an artificial media creation. Like Emmanuel Macron or Greta >> Thunberg. No more. >> >> R.H. > Indeed, Einstein is always entirely beside the point. The point is that > the formula is an optics formula, not a gravitation formula. I can't answer you because I have no knowledge of general relativity, and I don't believe, moreover, in the effects of gravity on photons since they don't exist. In the receiver's frame of reference, the photon is an instantaneous transfer of energy (a quantum) and I can't see how an instantaneous transfer of energy could be deflected in an infinitely short (zero) time. The same goes for the photon, which, if it had a frame of reference, would see the receiver arrive at it infinitely quickly, from infinitely far away, and in an infinitely short time. I am therefore very surprised that we can think that gravitation curves space (pure nothingness without ether) with its little muscular fingers. When we look at the sun with special instruments, we observe immense arcs of matter and energy ejected over colossal distances. I will not be made to believe that there is no gas or matter in this heliosphere, and that optical phenomena of diffraction are impossible there. Afterwards, I do not know. I am not a specialist. But when I see how we were able to sabotage the SR from its foundations, and how much human beings were able to sabotage Poincaré's special relativity. I think that everything is possible. R.H.