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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Evolutionary creationism
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:15:57 +0000
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:44:23 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 3/18/2025 3:13 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:31:30 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2025-03-17 8:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> [giant snip]
>> 
>> Thank you for that. I had to stop snipping replies to Ron because if
>> you snip anything at all, he claims you were running from his
>> arguments and reposts the same stuff so you end up with a post 2 or 3
>> times longer than it needs to be :(
>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> QUOTE:
>>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in
>>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.
>>>>> END QUOTE:
>>>>
>>>> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.
>>>>    [another giant snip]
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase "he continues to actively
>>> uphold and sustain creation." mean? I mean, in particular "continues"
>>> and "actively".
>> 
>> I see this as a background thing, not a direct process. I have 5
>> grown-up children, all with children of their own. I continue to
>> actively uphold and sustain them in whatever way they need but I do
>> not *interfere* in their lives. If, for example, they make decisions
>> that I don't agree with, I *might* offer an opinion if I think it will
>> be welcome but the decision is entirely theirs and I fully accept and
>> support whatever they do decide. The help and support I (and my wife)
>> give them is on request, not pushed on them, though they know it is
>> available when needed, and is given unconditionally.
>> 
>> That's why I think the analogy of God as father is a particularly apt
>> one.
>>   
>> 
>So you always understood what I was claiming, and just refused to 
>acknowledge that they were claiming supernatural miracles in order to 
>uphold and sustain creation.  You were just lying to yourself and lying 
>in your posts.


If you can't understand the significance of "not *interfere* in their
lives" then you really have lost the plot.