Path: ...!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15paH6YGT?= Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Subject: Usenet (was: Re: Royal Back of Canada Phish coming from Google Gmail) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:17:40 -0800 Organization: Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc. -- Simplifying complexity Lines: 48 Message-ID: <20241231151740.1a3bb7b5f9fa8858f74d4522@inter-corporate.com> References: <20241209111851.f08415575f43bf97d65d8276@inter-corporate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 00:17:42 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="06d9ec4bf50910ba9f4a1d67af7c02cc"; logging-data="2574021"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19EclTq3ldLjOYuCe/a7QqD" Cancel-Lock: sha1:PtXAIjLxhXxg/oF4nczZbSsqzg0= X-Face: Mdk`]wSvp_idiT'douqL^kIxU681Szl/jI<&ApRrYrfhF|W@B4{SFu%{A$d Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15paH6YGT?= wrote: > >Or is there something I'm missing here? Do you think an > >eMail provider such as Google GMail should be held > >responsible for the actions of their users? Perhaps the > >problem is that user accounts of scammers are not being > >shut down? (If so, then I wonder if perhaps that could > >make them liable as ongoing facilitators.) > > It is expected that any provider would make basic attempts to prevent > spam. That includes shutting down the accounts of users who have > engendered spam complaints, as well as throttling email or shutting > down accounts when obvious spam signatures are found. If someone is > sending thousands of messages a day to consecutive addresses, it is > worth investigating them to see if they are spamming. I believe that this is a reasonable expectation. It's a problem when the internet provider is also the spammer, but I don't have any reason to suspect that Google is in the spam business -- at their stature I suspect that they wouldn't even want to risk it. > gmail actually does an okay job of this but a lot of them fall through > the cracks just because of the number of users they have. And Google > Groups, although it no longer can be used to spam Usenet, can be set up > with distribution mailing lists to send spam and Google completely > ignores those. More users typically also means more variety, so this makes sense. I was disappointed when Google shutdown their Usenet connection, because it meant that fewer people would be using it. I think they wanted to divorce themselves of the headache though, and I don't blame them for this because the vast majority of postings I see in the more popular newsgroups are spam and/or hostile trolls. who've essentially ruined the technology for most people. NNTP does need updating, of course, but most people have moved on to web-baseed forums and social media instead, which all seem to have the same problems with spammers, scammers, and angry trolls, so it's clearly more of a social problem than a technical one. -- Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc. Beautiful British Columbia, Canada https://www.inter-corporate.com/