Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!nntp.terraraq.uk!news1.firedrake.org!news.xcski.com!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Curiosity rover detects long-chain carbon molecules on Mars Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 17:44:16 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 82 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="79011"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:5yO2WmNRCGFMyuNt08YXy7aCR0s= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id AB64A22978C; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 18:44:30 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4826D229783 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 18:44:28 -0400 (EDT) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 52RMiJWJ2787551 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 23:44:19 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA676622BD for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/BA676622BD; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 732DCDC01CA; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 23:44:17 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 23:44:17 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18m5uzt/LDreDvRp299KRFn61YpF/ny9y8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5856 On 3/27/2025 4:31 PM, Pro Plyd wrote: > > https://www.science.org/content/article/curiosity-rover-detects-long- > chain-carbon-molecules-mars > > NASA’s Curiosity rover has detected what > could be a chemical relic of long-ago life > on Mars: long-chain organic molecules. Found > after painstaking reanalysis of data on a > sample drilled from a lake that dried up > billions of years ago, the molecules likely > derived from fatty acids, a common building > block of cell membranes on Earth. The finding, > published today in the Proceedings of the > National Academy of Sciences, is not a > definite detection of past life; the fatty > acids could also have formed without life. > But it’s another in a series of tantalizing > hints. > > “This is an amazing result,” says Monica > Grady, a planetary scientist at the Open > University who wasn’t involved in the new > research. If these are “breakdown products > from carboxylic acids, then we are seeing > something very exciting indeed.” It also > suggests Curiosity’s successor, > Perseverance, will find similar molecules, > says Jack Mustard, a planetary scientist > at Brown University. Perseverance is > collecting samples for an ambitious effort > to return Mars rocks to labs on Earth, > where scientists will be able to reach > more definitive conclusions on the > molecules’ origins. > > > https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2420580122 > Long-chain alkanes preserved in a Martian mudstone > > Significance > Decane, undecane, and dodecane were detected > in a Martian sample at the tens of pmol level > and may originate from long-chain carboxylic > acids. The detection of long-chain alkanes in > the Sheepbed mudstone is important for > extending studies of habitability on Mars as > the Curiosity rover continues to map out > windows of high preservation potential for > chemically reduced organic compounds. The > provenance and distribution of these molecules > are of high interest in the search for > potential biosignatures on Mars. > > Abstract > Organic molecules preserved in ancient Martian > rocks provide a critical record of the past > habitability of Mars and could be chemical > biosignatures. Experiments conducted by the > Sample Analysis at Mars instrument onboard > the Curiosity rover have previously reported > several classes of indigenous chlorinated and > sulfur-containing organic compounds in Gale > crater sedimentary rocks, with chemical > structures of up to six carbons. Here, we > report the detection of decane (C10H22), > undecane (C11H24), and dodecane (C12H26) at > the tens of pmol level, released from the > Cumberland drilled mudstone sample, using a > modified SAM analytical procedure optimized > for the detection of larger organic molecules. > Laboratory experiments support the hypothesis > that the alkanes detected were originally > preserved in the mudstone as long-chain > carboxylic acids. The origin of these > molecules remains uncertain, as they could > be derived from either abiotic or biological > sources. Maybe there is oil on Mars. Ron Okimoto