Path: ...!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Rumm Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y Subject: Re: the mains lead thread Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:14:15 +0100 Organization: Internode Ltd Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 13:14:15 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="5dc80bbb1a994b88c3715cf119fdc5b1"; logging-data="32034"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18eXwxBtNri7Ds8y0trUpe+bGMtQgc82jM=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:0ywG7CRdE7/e5hZz+c8DaLidFVo= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3295 On 20/06/2022 08:45, Brian Gaff wrote: > This is something I am quite passionate about to be honest. When they built > Outlook Express there were some rough edges, ie no way to change the quote > position without bodging cocking up outgoing encoding as we have discussed > and things like periodically losing its way to display email after being in > another identity etc. All probably fixable. However instead of fixing their > client they kept on inventing new ones each time a version of Windows came > out, totally different some more accessible than others, but mostly worse. > Then they dropped Usenet even from Outlook as well adding stupid ribbon > menus to stuff that nobody understood or appreciated. > The latest email client is a messy slow boring half baked mess. I really > don't get itt. Email is in many ways one of the main things computers in > the hands of the public get used for, yet getting it to just work seems to > be beyond them. I think part of the problem with outlook express was that it used an old version of the IE rendering engine (a thing called Trident) for HTML display. As such it became a security nightmare to maintain because in inherited the many failings of the rendering engine. It also got all the quirks of whatever version of IE was installed. Later versions of Outlook (the full fat version, not "express") switched to using a HTML engine used by Word - and that is why outlook can still end up rendering HTML that does not look the same as in a modern browser. (its support for CSS and many other modern web things is poor) Most recent web based versions of outlook use the webkit engine, which is full featured. Not sure what the various windows "mail" clients use, but then who cares? :-) -- Cheers, John. /=================================================================\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \=================================================================/