Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 15:40:45 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <0876c2b9-2144-44c1-a26b-20176f5e2127@att.net> <067f772a-4f4c-4c27-8042-3f605f814876@att.net> <558a879a-4130-476a-8b5d-d53cd371919b@att.net> <04dd7515-297c-4e7c-9e6a-a4f43e663552@att.net> <43c020cb-dc8b-4feb-be1d-2a76f02be14e@att.net> <19431656-fb42-4569-9334-b5b7e19c80c6@att.net> <4b45ff34-dc3f-4e32-90a3-237f78fbd321@att.net> <2e5bced50a3571e40311d75977f0880db77fe5a1@i2pn2.org> <142457fc4decc9ed126a3ededf9ad07084d21311@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2025 15:40:45 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a656773c01a4ae5bf43c0ccecec53c06"; logging-data="283291"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19I/4fLfBZ0NHW77yZWRxetpHGAUmuUuwc=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:U3h/PHmNYFc73DvklA+H3UFTt+0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <142457fc4decc9ed126a3ededf9ad07084d21311@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2732 On 01.03.2025 14:26, joes wrote: > Am Sat, 01 Mar 2025 12:58:28 +0100 schrieb WM: >> On 28.02.2025 18:25, joes wrote: >>> Am Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:04:33 +0100 schrieb WM: >> >>> Zermelo doesn't say that Z is in Z. >> But he says that the infinite Z exists because of his induction. >> >>>> Therefore we use FISONs without approaching ℕ. >>> They do reach N in the limit. >> No. ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo. Note for all! The limit >> cannot exist without bridging this infinite gap. > Taking a limit "bridges the gap". No, not for infinitely many missing numbers. A limit exists if every difference can be undercut. Here the difference remains infinite. Regards, WM