Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Kicking the straw-man deception out on its ass Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 16:28:41 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 23:28:42 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f1890a324b06dc16a921f95b9719194f"; logging-data="1036939"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19PfT1jHHJkQUPFdHc2dFkT" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:k5Si6Rtq/ptmv6D1Hpk1gyM/kXE= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250302-6, 3/2/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2889 On 3/2/2025 4:15 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 02.mrt.2025 om 22:21 schreef olcott: >> int DD() >> { >>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>    if (Halt_Status) >>      HERE: goto HERE; >>    return Halt_Status; >> } >> >> _DD() >> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local >> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD >> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) >> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04 >> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax >> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f >> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d >> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04] >> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp >> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp >> [00002155] c3         ret >> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] >> >> DD emulated by HHH according to the behavior that DD >> specifies cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction >> and terminate normally. >> >> This process computes the mapping from the actual input >> (not any other damn thing) finite string to the non >> terminating behavior that this finite specifies when >> it calls its own emulator in recursive emulation. > > In other words 'non terminating behavior' means that *HHH* was unable to > reach the 'ret' instruction. Not at all. The fact that DD calls its own emulator makes DD unable to reach its own "ret" instruction. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer