Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Correcting the definition of the halting problem --- Computable functions Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:49:06 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <30c2beae6c191f2502e93972a69c85ff227bfd03@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 23:49:07 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="28b8eab6d237e557af892b2ab104f6c1"; logging-data="354582"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18uQAG5kW4sL7HExBt//CSm" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RmSvEmk74JsoNQmjuH0zLNM9f2c= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250325-18, 3/25/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3476 On 3/25/2025 4:29 PM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 25 Mar 2025 08:01:14 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 3/25/2025 3:47 AM, joes wrote: > >>> A pure simulator can not limit the number of steps. Also III doesn't >>> halt in, say, 3 steps. Why should III call a different instance that >>> doesn't abort, when it is being simulated? >>> >> The fact that the same states in the program-under-test keep repeating >> such that the program-under-test cannot possibly reach its own final >> halt state proves that program-under-test does not halt. > They don't repeat, though, not in the same stack frame. And the test > program is part of the program under test. Can you answer my question? > Your question was incorrect. _III() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push III [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call EEE(III) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] The first four instructions of the finite string of machine code at machine address 00002172 are repeated until EEE reaches its finite limit. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer