Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Paraphrase of Sipser's agreement Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 21:29:25 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 03:29:26 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="33de22785a11a76beb5897cc3eba332a"; logging-data="856851"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+xPSj4GFL9YisMMHQ3T8FE" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Fq5SvzeKpvsgwKCDiYVckTKHu9Q= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250315-4, 3/15/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3373 On 3/15/2025 9:21 PM, dbush wrote: > On 3/15/2025 9:28 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/15/2025 5:35 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 3/15/2025 5:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >>>>      stop running unless aborted then >>>> >>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> But he didn't agree to what you think he did: >>> >>> >> >> THIS IS EXACTLY AND PRECISELY WHAT I THINK HE DID AGREE TO >> (It took me years to form this precise paraphrase) >> > > Nope: > If emulating termination analyzer H emulates its input finite string D of x86 machine language instructions according to the semantics of the x86 programming language until H correctly determines that this emulated D cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction in any finite number of correctly emulated steps then H can abort its emulation of input D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer