Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FromTheRafters Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 07:08:10 -0500 Organization: Peripheral Visions Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <11e634bd-c1d3-4d72-9e18-be6ca22b4742@att.net> <999fb07e-7bef-4423-afeb-a08922613c65@att.net> <0d24c3fd-cd63-4e21-9dd4-ab1360560b09@att.net> <79920977-902d-4f59-a11c-497383221c82@att.net> <468b9c37-ba93-485c-8685-4b320e168251@att.net> <68bab5c2-50d3-43fc-be0d-51e01c5952bb@att.net> <1e5cb0d4-f447-4fa7-b1e9-8056b03d27a2@att.net> Reply-To: erratic.howard@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 13:08:18 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="399680481a701ec532449d63ac3c84eb"; logging-data="2450400"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ULDS9Kx1CLGuJscKbgIsar+J3jGqBZDg=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:L7uXakdkkqEHcX0z1i7copwADBI= X-ICQ: 1701145376 X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb Bytes: 2566 WM wrote : > On 12.02.2025 01:38, Jim Burns wrote: >> On 2/11/2025 2:23 PM, WM wrote: >>> On 11.02.2025 18:42, Jim Burns wrote: >>>> On 2/11/2025 4:31 AM, WM wrote: >> >>>>> The set F of FISONs which can be removed >>>>> without changing the assumed result UF = ℕ >>>>> is the infinite set F of all FISONs. >>>> >>>> Yes. >>> >>> Fine. >>> >>>>> This is proven by just the same induction >>>>> as Zermelo proves his infinite set Z. >>>>> >>>>> Either you accept both proofs or none. >> >> What is this "both proofs"? > > One is Zermelo's proof by induction that there is an infiite set Z. It's an axiom, not a theorem.