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From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 ---
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 21:26:03 -0400
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On 4/3/2025 9:17 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 4/2/2025 9:17 PM, dbush wrote:
>> On 4/2/2025 10:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2025 8:52 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Tue, 01 Apr 2025 21:37:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 4/1/2025 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/1/25 7:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/1/2025 5:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/31/25 10:19 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But DDD doesn't prevent its own terminatation, as it calls an HHH
>>>>>>>> that WILL abort its emulation and return and answer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know that DDD stopping running and DDD reaching its final halt
>>>>>>> state are not the same thing you damned liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, the DDD who's simulation is stopped hasn't shown non-halting
>>>>>> behavior, just not-yet-halted.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You already admitted that you are lying about this.
>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH for an infinite number of steps never reaches its
>>>>> final halt state.
>>>> *finite
>>>>
>>>>> HHH sees this in one recursive emulation of DDD.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Simulating termination analyzer Principle*
>>>>> It is always correct for any simulating termination analyzer to stop
>>>>> simulating and reject any input that would otherwise prevent its own
>>>>> termination. The only rebuttal to this is rejecting the notion that
>>>>> deciders must always halt.
>>>> It must also return the right value.
>>>>
>>>
>>> By process of elimination and by the above criteria
>>> we can determine that not stopping the emulation
>>
>> Changes the input.
>>
>> Changing the input is not allowed.
> 
> *
> *
> 
> *void DDD() *
> *{*
> *HHH(DDD); *
> *return; *
> *} *
> 
> Do you really think that anyone knowing the C
> programming language is too stupid to see that
> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and 
> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly return?
> 

Obviously that's true, but changing the input is not allow.