Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:52:23 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2025 16:52:24 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5a3baaa71ee278464abf86f4eaa36abf"; logging-data="2040181"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+IJCaC0RUq1e2y9pVPtasi" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ThuBo6M+EI3czRfU4gdVvBdx2VA= In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250304-6, 3/4/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3573 On 3/4/2025 8:43 AM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote: > On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 08:21:39 -0600 > olcott wibbled: >> On 3/4/2025 4:06 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>> Am 04.03.2025 um 04:07 schrieb olcott: >>>> int DD() >>>> { >>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>>    if (Halt_Status) >>>>      HERE: goto HERE; >>>>    return Halt_Status; >>>> } >>>> >>>> _DD() >>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local >>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD >>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) >>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04 >>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax >>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f >>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d >>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04] >>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp >>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp >>>> [00002155] c3         ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] >>>> >>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly >>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally. >>>> >>>> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of >>>> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its >>>> own "ret" instruction. >>>> >>> >>> You're wrong; your program will never stop - like >>> your halting problem investigations. >> >> I am not wrong and no one can show that I wrong > > You're making the assertion, so YOU need to prove the program will halt, > its not for others to prove that it won't. > > The code proves that DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally. This proves that HHH(DD) is correct to reject its input as non-terminating. If this is incorrect then someone could point out exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH would reach its own "ret" instruction. Changing my works and rebutting these changed words is known as the straw-man deception. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer