Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:03:55 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <123fb080-4f72-482c-a6e9-aa525aa7150b@att.net> <00fb52fc-ca18-4166-90c7-71b5a66e2dda@att.net> <499f2673-f99b-4b6d-a0df-55242e7dc479@att.net> <4209f4c4-0c11-40a8-93bb-441e45f5e9e1@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:03:55 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="006668e0d6a8bcbc5c90bb0be8534de6"; logging-data="1957573"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18R1wQ+AKOPmWos1/UznzZNDy38WDwFNeY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ln4Hhd0RgerbW/TzWjcAF91xKf0= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2440 On 10.03.2025 22:04, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > WM wrote: >> On 10.03.2025 20:37, Jim Burns wrote: > >>> ⎝ Therefore, this a property with no exceptions. >>> is reliable. > >> Do you really expect that your gobbledegook is of interest??? > > I find it of interest, yes. It refutes _your_ gobbledegook in a way that > you cannot answer. I can. Only this question is of interest: Zermelo's Z₀ is defined by induction: { } ∈ Z₀, and if {{{...{{{ }}}...}}} with n curly brackets ∈ Z₀ then {{{...{{{ }}}...}}} with n+1 curly brackets ∈ Z₀. Likewise the the set F of removable FISONs F(n) = {1, 2, 3, ..., n} is defined by induction. ℕ \ F(1) = ℵo, and if ℕ \ F(1) \ F(2) \ F(3) \ ... \ F(n) = ℵo then ℕ \ F(1) \ F(2) \ F(3) \ ... \ F(n+1) = ℵo. What is the difference in your opinion? JB has claimed that UF = ℕ ==> Ø = ℕ is wrong. Regards, WM