Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 15:06:56 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 20:06:56 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d82829ff2684f0f25de37249bda61e80"; logging-data="2113619"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+GIaKt3GvxLLeWYH1O0WXk" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jt+CbO5/T6Clcxm91dNUMYyaTT0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3076 On 3/29/2025 3:03 PM, olcott wrote: > On 3/29/2025 10:23 AM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/29/2025 11:12 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 3/28/2025 11:00 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 3/28/2025 11:45 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It defines that it must compute the mapping from >>>>> the direct execution of a Turing Machine >>>> >>>> Which does not require tracing an actual running TM, only mapping >>>> properties of the TM described. >>> >>> The key fact that you continue to dishonestly ignore >>> is the concrete counter-example that I provided that >>> conclusively proves that the finite string of machine >>> code input is not always a valid proxy for the behavior >>> of the underlying virtual machine. >> >> In other words, you deny the concept of a UTM, which can take a >> description of any Turing machine and exactly reproduce the behavior >> of the direct execution. > > I deny that a pathological relationship between a UTM and > its input can be correctly ignored. > In such a case, the UTM will not halt, and neither will the input when executed directly.