Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Date: 23 Mar 2025 05:37:21 GMT Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net MZ9MS/3RaknpgpckdFvR3Qt1wFoz8SnNleGgIcObnnOcF5COkO Cancel-Lock: sha1:vqyixrtB6mVZcU/7fiM7RlMnpUA= sha256:ofI+txlABL7sG/3+jeIEewxUowxFXiPXFdBIdFwqA1I= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Hmm4; 21cd653e; Linux-6.14.0-rc7) Bytes: 3354 On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 18:08:38 +1300, Your Name wrote in : > On 2025-03-23 05:01:09 +0000, Your Name said: > >> On 2025-03-23 03:15:14 +0000, vallor said: >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:17:14 -0700, Alan wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote: >>>>> Alan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in >>>>>>>>> support of needed apps and use]. >>>>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >>>> >>>> So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle. >>> >>> I've owned two Mac Minis -- it's notebook hardware that runs slow as >>> molasses. >>> >>> We have a Mac Studio now, which was _way_ overpriced for what we got. >>> Probably the most intensive application I've tried on it is Fooocus >>> (which uses pyTorch), and I'd roughly estimate it is 1/4 the speed >>> of my Linux workstation. >>> >>> (You might blame pyTorch for that, as perhaps it doesn't use >>> the GPU/NPU -- >> >> Almost certainly. >> >> If it's an older version of PyTorch, then possibly you are running the >> Intel Mac version on the Mac Studio via Rosetta x86 emulation, which >> would be slower than running a newer Apple Silicon version. >> >> Enable the GPU on Apple Silicon Macs means making changes to the >> PyTorch settings, which you may already have done: >> >> >> >> > > Apparently there are also speed differences depending on how you > installed the MacOS version of PyTorch (conda vs PyPI): > Thank you! I will give that a try. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc7 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Catalan: Local area network for Cats."