Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul S Person Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Awfully quiet in here... Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 08:33:42 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 118 Message-ID: References: <1efd1717-3e51-3fc4-1408-a5296f06b1ef@example.net> <5f1024bb-1145-580f-2f01-b62a2b7736eb@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:33:52 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7c98cf8bc1a1519aee235fb7fee34450"; logging-data="502839"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/RqsDPClXSgLy8iOK+95tCd2/yRdDTa/E=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:LB94znwJoGVvd2bzQ4VpgOeZhu0= Bytes: 5740 On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:55:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer wrote: >On 11/9/2024 12:03 PM, Paul S Person wrote: >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:54:47 -0500, Cryptoengineer >> wrote: >>=20 >>> On 11/9/2024 8:32 AM, D wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote: >>>> >>>>> D=A0 wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Idaho. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or Montana. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Paul, that confirms what I have so far been thinking = about in >>>>>> terms of places to move to. I have also heard good things about = Wyoming, >>>>>> South dakota, and someone, as strange as it may sound, also = recommended >>>>>> the far eastern parts of oregon. Not sure about that one, but that >>>>>> was one >>>>>> recommendation as well. >>>>> >>>>> Oregon is weird because it has a very wide mix of different = locations >>>>> with >>>>> very different cultures in the same state and while you might like = the >>>>> far eastern part, you won't like the state politics as a whole = (because >>>>> neither side does). >>>> >>>> Sounds like sweden! No one likes the politics and very different >>>> cultures depending on the area you are in. >>>> >>>>> You would like Wyoming if you like long distances with nothing.=A0 = It is >>>>> almost the opposite of Europe in terms of just being able to feel = like >>>>> you are nowhere.=A0 I find that pleasant for a while, but not = long-term. >>>> >>>> Sounds excellent! Since I generally do not like people, being in the >>>> middle of nowhere, with a dog or two sounds like heaven! Sadly it is= not >>>> going to fly with the wife since she wants culture, opera and all = that >>>> stuff. So I imagine that sadly, in the end, it would have to be 2-3 >>>> hours by car from some kind of bigger city. =3D( >>>> >>>>> You might like Alaska in that Alaska is filled with people who have= an >>>>> intense interest in personal independence.=A0 Unfortunately it is = also >>>>> filled with people who have problems who had thought that if they = could >>>>> just get to Alaska that everything would be fine, and so they = brought >>>>> their problems with them to Alaska. >>>> >>>> Alaska is on my list! I did find anchorageopera.org so maybe that = could >>>> work! ;) >>> >>> Alaska, unfortunately for your politics, has a government that >>> interferes in the free market, with a Universal Basic Income >>> scheme >>> >>> The state has a $50 billion Permanent Fund, and sends checks >>> to every resident each year. The amount varies by year, >>> $1200 - $3000 being typical. >>=20 >> Actually, it's more of a "everybody gets a share of the profits from >> our oil" program. >>=20 >> And its taxable federally. Even the checks sent to the kids. > >How does that work? The minimum income for Federal taxes is >$13,850. The checks don't come anywhere near that. Is it that >they family has to file jointly? My experience was 20 years ago when I worked for the IRS. So the answers then may not apply now. I might recommend consulting Pub 17, which should contain at least a summary and a referral to something more detailed if not the full details themselves. Also, I worked very few cases, so any comments I make might, in theory, identify one or the other, which would be a violation of =46ederal law (release of confidential tax information). >> The whole point of UBI is that the UBI itself is not taxed. Only >> additional income is taxed. >>=20 >> Whether this is actually a good idea is a good question. But in 200 >> years, when most jobs are done by machines and positions filled by >> humans are filled either by lottery (the losers -- rather, draftees -- >> serve) or the courts ("I sentence you to be City Manager for three >> years") because nobody wants to work since most people can not for >> lack of job availability. >>=20 >> But as long as we have more jobs than people to employ, UBI is >> probably not ready for prime time. > >I"m actually fully in favor of UBI, but it seems to run >contrary to 'D's seemingly Objectivist philosophy. > >ObSF: I first heard of the idea of a UBI in PJF's >"Riders of the Purple Wage". --=20 "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino, Who evil spoke of everyone but God, Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"