Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: All of computation and human reasoning can be encoded as finite string transformations --- Quine Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 15:44:03 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:44:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a425555c6648d84fc534c8ef87321189"; logging-data="3136517"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19JjAoaO9qB7Abz8rGnTsgk" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hme55eJloEkFPOiMK6gCfyD5PjE= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250421-6, 4/21/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 2714 On 4/21/2025 4:48 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-04-20 17:53:43 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 4/20/2025 11:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 4/20/25 tic 1:33 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> No counter-example to the above statement exists for all >>>> computation and all human reasoning that can be expressed >>>> in language. >>> >>> But can all Human reasoning be actually expressed in language? >>> >>> For instance, how do you express the smell of a rose in a finite >>> string so you can do reasoning with it? >>> >> >> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/ >> >> all human reasoning that can be expressed in language >> the {analytic} side of the analytic/synthetic distinction >> that humanity has totally screwed up since >> >> Two Dogmas of Empiricism >> Willard Van Orman Quine >> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html >> >> Couldn't even understand that the term Bachelor >> as stipulated to have the semantic meaning of >> Bachelor(x) ≡ ~Married(x) ∧ Male(x) ∧ Adult(x) ∧ Human(x) > > You mean that if Quine says something that proves that he does not know > that thing? > When Quine says that there is no such thing as expressions of language that are true entirely on their semantic meaning expressed in language Quine is stupidly wrong. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer