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From: Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: idiots walk among us
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On 11/03/2025 05:49, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> In article <vqih90$1pj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...
>>
>> True, it can.  It killed almost one percent as many people as driving
>> or walking to the pharmacy to get the vaccination did.  And almost
>> a hundred-thousandth as many people as covid itself did.
> 
> This.  No vaccine is 100% safe, and no vaccine is 100% effective.
> There are always going to be downsides, but is the downside
> within orders of magnitude of the upside?  With vaccines, no.
> 
> I do kind of understand some uneasiness about the Covid
> vaccine.  When it was Trumps "Operation Warpspeed", many key
> Democrats (Andrew Cuomo in particular) were casting aspersions
> on it, presumably because it had Trump cooties in it.  The day
> Biden became president, the sides switched.
> 
> Yeah, it was rushed.  There was reason for that.
> 
> I got the vaccine and boosters (Moderna) because (1) late
> 60s and (2) diabetic, so significant Covid risk factors.
> And I knew some anti-vaxxers personally who died of Covid.
> 
> And (3) mRNA vaccines have been around for a while, mostly
> used in veterinarian medicine, and the technology is something
> we are going to very desperately need when something worse
> than Covid pops up.  Vaccine for a novel virus in days or
> weeks, rather than months or years.  I was willing to
> be a bit of a guinea pig for that.

COVID-19 vaccine research wasn't rushed.  It was
hastened.  Stages of development had money spent
early, when commercially responsible behaviour
would be to wait for earlier trial results.
Some effort was unsuccessful.  Some was redundant -
we got several useable vaccines.  Some with
risk that was only detectable when millions of
people were vaccinated.  Unexpected and novel
blood clot problems.  So having more than one
vaccine to use turned out pretty well.  Or I
suppose you could take blood clot medicine
atnthe same time.