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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: (ReacTor) Five Works of SF That Undermine Their Own Thesis
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:13:34 -0700
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On 15 Mar 2025 16:07:37 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
<tednolan>) wrote:

>In article <20250315a@crcomp.net>, Don  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Works of SF That Undermine Their Own Thesis
>>>>
>>>> Stories that lead to different conclusions than the author =
intended...
>>>>
>>>> =
https://reactormag.com/five-works-of-sf-that-undermine-their-own-thesis/
>>>
>>> Wow, three for five today !  "Starship Troopers", the totally awesome
>>> "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles", and "Star Trek: The =
Original
>>> Series".
>>
>>Lynn, stories set in Wyoming (in one way or another) automatically
>>attain a more favorable review by me in a manner similar to Texas
>>settings for you. Colorado also works for me in a pinch. So THE
>>PROBABILITY BROACH (set in Denver) is worthy regardless of its
>>shortcomings.
>>    They shot spidery STARSHIP scenes at a location called Hell's Half
>>Acre - about fifty miles down the highway from my hometown. Here's a
>>rundown fit for Ted's blog (if only Hell's Half Acre was in Columbia):
>><https://county10.com/jeep-rides-starships-and-coffee-hells-half-acre-s=
tore/>
>>    The notion of an infantry soldier in a Powered Suit, shot from a
>>space vehicle, down to a battlefield, is the most essential part of the
>>story, in my opinion. But in a fan magazine from back in the day
>>Verhoeven admits his shoestring budget prohibited Power Suits, so he
>>focused on bugs instead.
>>    Afterward the cheap production values were hand-waved away with a
>>satire cover story. And a touch of T&A thrown in to titillate and
>>distract from STARSHIP's silver screen scat show. (Another case where
>>movie porn trumps a woman's right not be seen soley as a sex object.)
>>
>
>I actually liked the shower scene.  Yes, it was good eye-candy, but
>it also made the point these weren't contemporary Americans.

I don't recall if that's in /Starship Troopers/, but it (and more) is
in /The Forever War/.=20
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"